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September 16, 2013

The White County Drainage Board convened at 10:40 A. M. in the Commissioners’ Room of the White County Building, Monticello, Indiana. Board members present were: Chairman Steve Burton, Drainage Board Member John Heimlich and Drainage Board Member David Diener. Also present were Attorney George W. Loy, Surveyor Bradley E. Ward and Drainage Assistant Mary E. Sterrett.

Also in attendance were:

B. J. Propes-White County Highway Department Dale Lehe

Sharon Watson-White County Soil and Water Dick Lehe

Mike Kyburz-White County Highway Department Jim Blake

Brent Balkema Kyle O’Farrell

Dick Bol David Thomas

Perry Beever Carol Watkins

Trinity Snowberger Todd Frauhiger, P.E.

The September 16, 2013 White County Drainage Board was called to order by Chairman Steve Burton.

The first item on the agenda was to approve the minutes from the September 3, 2013 White County Drainage Board Meeting. Board Member John Heimlich so moved. Board Member David Diener seconded the motion. Motion carried.

Next on the agenda-E. M. Ferguson Tile Drain #691 Informational Meeting

(Viewing a computer generated map of the area)

Surveyor Ward: I made a phone call this morning to Debco up in Francesville for the cost of the tile. Trenching in a fifteen (15) inch tile with the fabric the cost of the tile today is nine dollars and twenty cents ($9.20) a foot. Without the fabric it is eight dollars and three cents ($8.03) a foot. Don’t know the exact cost of labor but I used ten dollars ($10.00) a foot. If we do a project of nine thousand (9,000) feet but it would be twelve thousand (12,000) feet the whole way. With the nine dollars ($9.20) a foot and ten dollars ($10.00) for labor you would be looking at about two hundred and sixty-five dollars ($265.00) per acre. That is a little bit more than was stated at the last meeting. We were trying to be closer to two hundred dollars ($200.00) per acre at that meeting. That is where we are at on the numbers that Todd and myself have put together.

Chairman Burton: Let go back on the numbers. That existing tile is roughly twelve thousand (12,000) feet. We have identified nine thousand (9,000) feet up to the Branch #2 portion. This estimate that you are roughly giving would be fifteen (15) inch all the way?

Surveyor Ward: That would be nine thousand (9,000) feet that would get you to the Branch #2 portion, from the opening.

Chairman Burton: What phase are we here? When we started out we were a, b, c., what is the name of this option?

Todd Frauhiger: This would become option “E”, I would say.

Chairman Burton: That would become option “E”. This is plowed or trenched tile?

Todd Frauhiger: This would be run parallel to the existing tile. We would take some portion of the existing water shed off the existing tile. Both of them would stay in place then.

Chairman Burton: Let’s go back to some other figures. The total acreage here?

Surveyor Ward: In the water shed currently today the acreage it lists seven hundred and fifteen (715). That water shed is not one hundred percent (100%) accurate. I know for a fact that it is closer to six hundred and fifty (650) acres would actually be in the water shed.

Chairman Burton: We are currently assessed how much per acre?

Surveyor Ward: I believe it is two-fifty dollars ($2.50) per acre.

Chairman Burton: Are we in debt?

Surveyor Ward: My numbers are showing us six hundred dollars ($600.00) plus. I think Tony Cain has done a job out there and has not been paid for it.

Chairman Burton: I’ll make a statement here, correct me if I am wrong. We are at a point now where we have had several different plans. To the point of this is an informational meeting. What we need to do at this point is unless it is desired not to do that at this meeting is that we choose an option. That is why I am labeling this as an option. I am not saying this is what we are going to do. But we need to identify that everybody is on the same page what we are talking about here. So, if at the end of this meeting we need that figure or number that will go out officially registered to landowners. On this is what is proposed. What we will advertise at a predetermined meeting after everybody has been notified. Then that will become the Public Hearing on this project. This is a stepping stone on what we are going to advertise. At the Public Hearing can that be modified?

Board Member Heimlich: My question for George (Attorney Loy) is if it is a tile that runs parallel to the other one (1) is that considered a new tile, a Reconstruction or a Maintenance?

Attorney Loy: It could quality as all three (3). You are still going to leave the open drain as part of the system, right?

Surveyor Ward: Correct, under this option we would leave it.

Attorney Loy: So long as it is going to parallel the exact same thing.

Todd Frauhiger: More or less, there is one (1) sand hill up stream that we are going to try to get away from.

Attorney Loy: I think it can qualify as a Reconstruction. The Hearing process is more or less the same with all those proceedings that you just mentioned. I think over all it would be a Reconstruction. You still get assessed, you still will have Hearings and this Board still has to make the same kind of determination whether the costs don’t exceed the benefits of the project.

Kyle O’Farrell: Was that two hundred and sixty-five ($265.00) with or without the fabric?

Surveyor Ward: That was with the fabric.

Chairman Burton: Do you have available the original options that we started with?

Surveyor Ward: The very first option was running a thirty (30) inch from the outlet roughly to County Road 300 East, a twenty-four (24) inch from there north to the Highway 18. Then tapering down to where we would end with a ten (10) inch at the end. The branches would also be replaced with a ten (10) inch tile as well. That was in the neighborhood of six to seven hundred dollars ($600.00-$700.00) an acre.

Todd Frauhiger: That was smooth core HDPE, direct bury and embedded properly.

Chairman Burton: Then there were just variances of that. I think what I will do now since we just presented option “E” at roughly at two hundred and sixty-five dollars ($265.00) an acre going the nine thousand (9,000) feet. It will pretty much be plowed or trenched not embedded. Now I will open it up to discussion from the floor.

Carol Watkins: I missed the last meeting because of the 4-H Fair. What was ever done with the north side of State Road 18 draining to the south side because it drains back. Is that getting taken care of?

Todd Frauhiger: Yes, I think Tony went out a verified that we do appear to have a problem at State Road 18. What was discussed was that going forward actually contact INDOT when we have made a decision of what we are going to do. That piece of pipe will be fixed and it will be at INDOT’S expense. When we actually get the notice of what we are going to do. We can get that fixed.

Carol Watkins: He won’t work on that until the rest of the tile is done, is that what you are saying?

Todd Frauhiger: It will probably be all part of one (1) project if we end up with one (1) project. If not we will fix that as soon as we can get it fixed.

Chairman Burton: We are trying to wait to find the actual project we are going to choose before getting INDOT involved. We don’t want to go out there and start something and have them come back and say we already did it once.

Todd Frauhiger: The reason we have to do that is when we actually do design something we have to run a grade for the upstream end all the way down to the downstream end. We will have to get that grade under State Road 18 to be sure we get it right.

Chairman Burton: This option “E” would allow some flexibility on creating a new grade?

Todd Frauhiger: That is correct because we get all the way down to the outlet.

Kyle O’Farrell: Just as a representative I know Option “E” is pretty favorable by the landowners that we represent. By being the cheapest and being able to fix it. It was interesting to see the pictures of 1951. There was absolutely no trees, no water, no nothing on that ground that is now a swamp. It was totally tilled and farmed in all of that area. I thought that was interesting. It was beautiful up to the Watkin’s property. Something in the last many years has broken down.

Chairman Burton: At two hundred and sixty-five dollars ($265.00) an acre is there enough money in the General Drain Improvement Fund without having to finance?

Surveyor Ward: I believe so.

Chairman Burton: That was another issue with some of the original projects we were going to have to go out and bond or borrow. Which would additionally be paid by the landowners.

Dale Lehe: What was the option going north of State Road 18? Fixing under the highway and repairing?

Todd Frauhiger: That is actually why I called this option “E”. I would consider that option “D”. Basically that would run a parallel tile from State Road 18 and clean up the upstream. What we do them is after we get the design and check the calculations is make sure we are not changing the downstream. We still have the capacity to carry the additional water. We would split the flow upstream and get half (½) the water shed or least some portion of the water shed off the existing tile in to a new tile leaving the existing tile in place. Put new structures at State Road 18 and use the existing tile on down to the outlet. The negative of that is we don’t have as much room to play with grade. We do have some at State Road 18 and we would have to run the grades back up to see what exactly we would get. That is option “D”. You would look at probably thirty-five hundred (3,500) feet at some place around seventeen-eighteen dollars ($17.00-$18.00) a foot.

Chairman Burton: Why would that be higher than the nine twenty ($9.20)?

Todd Frauhiger: The nine twenty ($9.20) is the tile price and then ten dollars ($10.00) is for installation. I will note that in the other counties that I deal with, contractors have been hungry lately. We might be a little bit high in the ten dollars ($10.00) but I would rather be conservative now.

Chairman Burton: Realistically we have to advertise. We got thirty (30) days involved here that would still put us in Mid-October. To really expect this project to go yet this winter would be iffy.

Todd Frauhiger: We have got a lot of design to do between now before we do advertise.

Chairman Burton: Back to “D” it thirty-five hundred (3,500) feet.

Dick Lehe: Is that talking a parallel tile or replacing what is there?

Todd Frauhiger: Parallel.

Chairman Burton: “D” and “E” are kind of the same philosophy above north of State Road 18 trying to create a parallel new path. We will be caught at State Road 18 whatever that grade is out there where the new tile is. There might be a little flexibly with “E” when you work your grade backwards down to the outlet.

Todd Frauhiger: That is what someone asked. That is probably in the neighborhood of one hundred to one hundred and ten dollars ($100.00-$110.00) an acre if we just go up stream. What we could do if it pleases the watershed, we could actually just run a real quick grade on both options. Option “D” and option “E” then come back and say for one hundred dollars or one hundred ten dollars ($100.00-$110.00) a foot here is the bang to get to the buck for one hundred and ten dollars ($110.00). Here is the bang to get to the buck for two hundred and fifty dollars ($250.00). Here is the difference between the two (2) of them. That might help you to make a decision.

Dick Lehe: If you did that, either way you are going across State Road 18 right? Put two (2) tiles in there if on north of State Road 18 didn’t work. Then you would have the other tile there at a lower grade to go from State Road 18 south if going north didn’t pan out. Is that a possibility?

Todd Frauhiger: That is correct. That would be a future project if the water shed decided they wanted to do additional work. You are right there is a lower grade at that particular spot.

Dick Lehe: I mean put a tile in there while you are in there. See what I’m saying?

Todd Frauhiger: The only problem is we are still restricted to the grade we have at State Road 18. We might be able to get lower if we go all the way to the outlet. If not we are restricted to the downstream of State Road 18. We have to match up that grade.

Dick Lehe: Put one (1) there and put one (1) lower that you could change the grade later if necessary.

Todd Frauhiger: Good idea, I see what you are saying.

Board Member Diener: My under-standing of either of these projects you land owners are going to be having this assessment over a five (5) year period. There will be some interest involved so just as a quick calculation. That two hundred and sixty-five ($265.00) number if you spread it over five (5) years. That is going to be three hundred dollars ($300.00) so that is going to be sixty dollars ($60.00) per acre. That you will be paying in assessment for five (5) years. Verses the other one (1) which is only half (½) the project which is going to be one hundred and ten ($110.00) plus something for five (5) years might be twenty-five dollars ($25.00) an acre. These are numbers that you folks are going to have to build into your costs, overhead or budget however you view this. You are going to have to tell us one (1) of these or none these is what you have some interest in or no interest. At some point in time is what I want is someone to tell me.

Chairman Burton: Again what we need is to decide what we are going to advertise here. If everyone at this meeting wants to move on with this project. If nothing else happens we will deal with State Road 18. State Road 18 needs to be dealt with whether any tile is put in. So, that is going to happen. We just kind of put that on the back burner until we decide what else we may or may not do in the process. That is the only given we have right now. The State will deal with their part there. I want to make this statement because sometimes it is confused. This is not County money this is your money you have been paying on ditch tax. Anything we come up with the cost of this project will be paid by the people sitting out there. Not the County’s money. That is a misconception everybody says why don’t the County pay for it. We are just the referees here. I am sure everyone in this room understands that but I just want to make it clear. Ultimately it is going to be coming out of your pockets.

Dick Lehe: Fixing under the highway?

Board Member Heimlich: Fixing under the highway would be INDOT.

Perry Beever: I have a little piece of land where that little line goes off to the east. Is that part of the project? According to this paper that runs right the back of my barn.

Surveyor Ward: You would be in the water shed. I have no experience on the tile whether it needs to be…

Perry Beever: Is there a tile there?

Surveyor Ward: There is supposed to be a tile there. I have never had a work order on it while I have been in office to anything on that.

Perry Beever: I guess one (1) reason why I ask is I’m going to try to change something that takes my barn out of being part of the creek whenever we get a good rain. I have got two (2) to six (6) inches of water that runs straight through that barn off of County Road 300. Is that going to be part of the project or how will that affects my ….

Surveyor Ward: Under project “A” I would say that it would part of the project because I was replacing everything in that system. Under the last two (2) it was not part of the project in the last two (2) options.

Todd Frauhiger: The benefit that you would get either with option “D” or “E” would be a new tile up stream. It would take some pressure off the existing tile.

Perry Beever: If that little existing tile is there and it is working that is one (1) thing. But if the above ground water is going right straight off County Road 300 then down that hill by Dan’s and running right down though my barn. I would like to find some way of either getting into that tile or collecting or averting that water around my barn. How does that affect me? Is it something that I could tie into? In a year or so? I know that would at my expense. I didn’t know there was one (1) there.

Surveyor Ward: Yes, that is only a six (6) inch tile and I don’t know how much that is going to relieve you. I would have to look at it.

Attorney Loy: How many landowners?

Surveyor Ward: Twenty-four (24) parcels. Some landowners have multiple parcels. There are six hundred and fifty (650) acres in the watershed. There is some ground below the County Road on the south end that is assessed that is not using the tile what so ever.

Dale Lehe: Refresh my memory up to State Road 18 is that fifteen (15) to the highway? It is bigger than that.

Surveyor Ward: It starts at an eighteen (18) inch and that runs up to County Road 300 East and then it is a sixteen (16) from County Road 300 East to State Road 18.

Chairman Burton: It has also been discussed and I am not saying we are not, if we don’t do anything else other than State Road 18 that we probably need to do some head work at the exit.

Surveyor Ward: At least investigate it to see what we are dealing with down there. There is a concrete water shoot that looks like it is being undercut at the outlet. At least it needs to be investigated at minimum.

Board Member Diener: I think it is up to them to tell us what they want us to advertise for a real meeting. We have had a lot of informational meetings. If we are going to do something let do it and what it is going to be.

Chairman Burton: But through this process I think we will have a more agreeable product than the first time we met. If I’m correct we are looking at option “D”, “E” or “F”. “D” which would be the thirty-five hundred (3,500) feet above at existing grade after State Road 18 is fixed or “E” the nine thousand (9,000) feet of all new tile with the new grade set at State Road 18. “F” is a hybrid of anything else.

Kyle O’Farrell: I know our landowners would lean towards the “E” the one (1) going nine thousand (9,000) feet. I know that is what they would think. I’m just their representative and I know that is where they are at.

Chairman Burton: If we use project “E” and we have the Public Hearing it could revert back to more of “F” or “D” at the Public Hearing. What we advertise here is not an aye or nay vote at that time, correct?

Board Member Heimlich: Right, it is not final. We will have the Public Hearing and there will ample opportunity for discussion then. We may amend it based on what input we get at the time. But we do have to advertise something for the Public Hearing.

Carol Watkins: Each project will have what the dollar amount would be per acreage?

Board Member Heimlich: What their percentage of the assessment would be.

Chairman Burton: There is also to go forward with project “F” which would be project “E” with a variable rate. So, depending where you were south of State Road 18 you would have a lower rate in this project than if you are north of State Road 18. No body spoke up but I will throw that out there.

Dick Lehe: What was that again?

Chairman Burton: If we did everything for the opening or the exit all the way up, the nine thousand (9,000) feet, which is project “E”. But there is a variable rate assessed that we use State Road 18 as a dividing line. The landowners south of State Road 18 would have a lower investment or lower rate than the landowners that would benefit more above or north of State Road 18.

Board Member Heimlich: That was discussed at least one (1) our informational meetings.

Chairman Burton: It will be discussed after we leave here if I didn’t bring it up. So, I am bringing up.

Dick Lehe: How is that done? How is that figured?

Todd Frauhiger: We have done that once before. Basically once the option is decided for the Public Hearing, we actually do our preliminary design, run the grade and come up with a dollar figure. Then we actually do a benefit analyses. Here is the different benefit costs for the entire water shed and here is how we recommend breaking them up. We would have to get some design done to get to that point. I don’t think we are there yet.

Chairman Burton: Only to say what may have or may not have already been said in this room. It might make the project go at that meeting. There might be some resistance so don’t throw it out. It has to be thought of that way everybody is kind of on board. I’m throwing that out as option “F”. As tough as it is, you need to be honest here because if at the next meeting we are moving forward with it.

Dale Lehe: My thought still and it may not be the best. If it worked before providing south of State Highway 18 is in good shape do the highway and do north.

Dick Bol: You don’t know if that would be taking in account the cost sharing stuff too. Not benefiting anybody south of State Road 18 so everybody north of State Road 18 picks up the tab. Instead of two hundred and sixty-five dollars ($265.00) an acre you guys are three hundred and forty-three dollars ($343.00) an acre.

Chairman Burton: That is why I’m working on a compromise here. If we do the tile all the way down south of State Road 18 would benefit a little bit. But the majority of the benefit is going to be north of State Road 18. So yeah , they may have a considerably higher rate. But with the nine thousand (9,000) foot project there might be some benefit to the south too. Some where there is a line.

Dick Bol: That would be settled before, I mean after you got your quotes and all that stuff. That would be settled before and say that is how we are going to do it?

Attorney Loy: That would be part of the report. The final report is here is the cost and here is how the Board has determines how to allocate that cost. It could be a uniform rate, it could be a variable rate, or anything in between.

Carol Watkins: My feelings are they have gotten the benefit the whole time because of all the water running back on us.

Chairman Burton: That is the problem with a variable rate. It depends on where you are at you are going to have an opinion on it.

Attorney Loy: The majority of ours are flat rates.

Chairman Burton: It is tough and it does get a little controversial this way. I’m looking for medium ground here where everybody benefits in the long run, top and bottom. Everybody gives up a little bit to gain a little bit.

Kyle O’Farrell: Just because of ignorance of procedure on my part. This is just a meeting is to discuss to proceed or not to proceed is that correct?

Chairman Burton: This is just an informational meeting but it not to say at this meeting that we need another informational meeting. Once we get into the Public Hearing it is what we decide at that is either a thumbs up or thumbs down and it is over.

Board Member Heimlich: When we advertise for the Public Meeting/Hearing we need to advertise for specific option. Specific amount and that is what we are trying to narrow the focus to.

Kyle O’Farrell: The discussion is whether we are proceeding or not. My feedback discussion to that would be, “yes”. I really do appreciate what you said about spreading it out. I do appreciate that.

Chairman Burton: The discussion is are we proceeding to the Public Hearing which becomes a finality of it and/or what we going to advertise. It was mentioned that if we advertise say option “D” we can’t go above that but we could modify it down verses project “E” we could go to project “D” or we could also go to project ”F” at the meeting. “F” should not cost any more than “E” it would just be a proportioned to benefit.

Kyle O’Farrell: “F” equals “E” with a variable rate?

Chairman Burton: Yes.

Dale Lehe: There is a problem if you go with “E” or “F” as bringing more water to State Road 18 potentially. If you have an extra tile and you just go from State Road 18 north that could create more.

Chairman Burton: But with “E” we would have a new functioning tile from the outlet all the way up. But it is possible that the old tile could also feed into it. Is that what you are saying?

Dick Lehe: If you just go from State Road 18 north you are draining more water.

Kyle O’Farrell: His letter might be wrong. He is saying with just one (1) tile you would bring more water south of State Road 18 and create more problems.

Todd Frauhiger: One (1) thing I forgot to mention. If we would go with option “E” which is the nine thousand (9,000) from the outlet all the way up to the Branch. Every so often you tie the two (2) tiles together. You tie the new fifteen (15) to the existing tile. If you get over flow in one (1) tile you have an outlet for it. We have done that in numerous installations like this and it works great. It is all tied together.

Chairman Burton: Now the feedback. Do we want to proceed with the Hearing? I know we have had a lot of informational meetings but I think we have moved a lot since we first started on this.

Dick Lehe: If you go with “D” the State won’t do anything under the highway until you begin that process?

Chairman Burton: No, if we ask the State they could put it on their project list and they could go out there and do it but are we sure what we want.

Board Member Heimlich: When the State would dig that up we want to make sure what is going in there. We don’t want to come back and ask them again.

Todd Frauhiger: If you do option “E” there would be two (2) tiles under State Road 18. The existing tile would be fixed and the State would pay for that. Also the new fifteen (15) inch which they would pay for from right-of-way line to right-of-way line. So there, both of them they would pay for not just one or the other.

Board Member Diener: We can’t really do that now because we have not determined grade exactly for the project for the size of the tile and how much we are doing.

Todd Frauhiger: If we go to them now and say fix the existing then come back to them say by the way we want to put in another fifteen (15) parallel to it and do that six (6) months from now they are probably going to have an open cut to fix what is out there now. They probably are going to get really upset if tell them to open cut again to put a new one (1) through.

Chairman Burton: Feedback, are we ready or did we bring up to many new things?

Kyle O’Farrell: Feedback would be to proceed with project “E”…..

Chairman Burton: Again even if we advertise “E” we just can’t go up.

Attorney Loy: This is not a formal Hearing this is kind of a straw pull the Drainage Board is taking. I want to interject there are a lot of County Drainage Boards that don’t brother with these informational meetings like you had with them. They just decide on their own and move forward, to their credit. They schedule these landowner meetings to get feedback in advance to get input. To get as much information from people who are directly affected by the project. In advance of moving forward with the project. But any kind vote if you want to call it that today is again just kind of a straw pull to give them direction.

Dick Lehe: I think we agree something needs to be done. I agree with what they said, I remember when that ground was all farmed. We are not arguing that point. I think we would agree with “E” but we think the cost benefits should be considered. We have got more acres than anybody going to it. We are not going to benefit from it, very much.

Chairman Burton: Who is the landowner at the opening?

Dick Lehe: It is in some kind of Trust.

Chairman Burton: Why I brought that up is eventually we may want to do some work at the opening of the outlet regardless of what is chosen. That and State Road 18. I was just curious if whether we could get resistance with that landowner.

Surveyor Ward: What we would probably be into it is not being farmed now, to open that up. There is a grass water way on top of it and a concrete water shoot. Obviously be in the field a little bit. But as far as crop damage or anything there it would not be a major through that area.

Chairman Burton: Is it ok to advertise for the Hearing? Where do we go now and I promised not to over load these people, from your point from the information you need prior to the Hearing, realistically?

Surveyor Ward: The Hearing will probably be sometime in January or February. That will give us time to put stuff together and come up with a hard number. We have to send out letters that have to be certain time schedules and everything else. It being almost October, it is not feasibly sooner than that.

Todd Frauhiger: The one good thing about looking at “E” is by default we are looking at “D” at the same time. So, if their decision is to fall back at the Public Hearing we have already looked at it. We can talk intelligently to it.

Dick Lehe: Question, if you go with “D” will the existing part under the State Highway be fixed?

Todd Frauhiger: It will be fixed.

Board Member Diener: Not to muddy the water because I like to see a direction and I think we have a direction a little bit. I think most of us realize that the issue is greater north of State Road 18 than south of State Road 18 based on all this information we have received over all these meetings. But I think the people south of State Road 18 also have to kind of be cognizant of the fact that tile south of State Road 18 is of the same age or era as the tile north of State Road 18. If you go with “D” just north and you start having more water. Then when you have a problem then the shoe is going to be on the other foot. I am not taking sides here. I am just saying I think if we are looking at this as a project any time you do half (½) of something it is never like doing the whole thing. That is my experience in all sorts of things. If you are to dive into this sometimes it is easier to get the whole thing done at once. Than to do part of it and come back two (2) years later and you have this extra flow of water now going south and you have got problems. Now there has been frictions created because of the cost of benefits from the north to the south. I would try to encourage to make this whole project work.

Chairman Burton: You have heard the time line. We will advertise it as a hybrid option “E” nine thousand (9,000) feet, roughly at two hundred and sixty-five ($265.00) per acre. Those numbers will be worked out. Then the Meeting/Public Hearing in January-February. Is everybody in agreement? There is a possibility that this could be in the works next summer. Is everybody in agreement? (Heads nodding) That is the plan.

Dick Lehe: Do you take bids?

Chairman Burton: “Yes”, we have to on everything.

Dick Lehe: Did you have a cost of what it would be to finish that out to replace clear up to the six (6) inch?

Surveyor Ward: It would depend on the size of the tile. I don’t think you need a fifteen (15) inch all the way to the end. You would probably be looking at another fifty dollars ($50.00) an acre. Fifty to seventy-five dollars ($50.00-$75.00) an acre just kind of going by what the rest of it is. So, may be three ($300.00) or three twenty-five ($325.00).

Todd Frauhiger: One (1) thing we will do in the next few months is get a couple of contractors. We will walk it and see if we can zero in on those costs a little bit better. There are a couple of places depending on grade that we might not be able to get it fully trenched. It might be a combination of trenched and cut. Then we will figure out the best place to put it in dealing with everyone. I know there is a sand hill that Tony was talking about staying away from a sand hill. We will do some walking in the next couple of months and come back with the best.

Dick Lehe: You are talking perforated tile or whatever you call that? Does it need to be fabric?

Todd Frauhiger: If you are going to have it perforated it needs to be fabric. That is another thing we will look at during the design process.

Dick Lehe: For the whole thing does it need to be fabric do you think?

Todd Frauhiger: That would be correct, if perforated. The other way would be just the trench in solid but I think most people prefer the perforated. If it is perforated you should probably sock it.

Other Discussions:

  1. Surveyor Ward: At our next meeting I’m going to request a Maintenance Modification on the

J. P. Carr Drain #520. It is a variable rate and some of the landowners are paying twenty-four cent (24¢) an acre. There is no money in the fund. The Drain is indebt eight thousand dollars ($8,000) and only brings in four thousand dollars ($4,000.00) a year.

  1. Surveyor Ward: Question to the Board. There are a couple of power companies wanting to put in

new power lines in White County. Do they need Consent to Encroach the drains to put their power lines in?

Attorney Loy: “Yes”.

Board Member Diener make a motion to adjourn. Board Member Heimlch seconded the motion. Motion carried. Chairman Burton adjourned the meeting.

COMPLETE DIGITAL MINUTES MAY BE HEARD IN THE SURVEYOR’S OFFICE