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May 3, 2004 Tape #009

The White County Drainage Board convened at 10:45 A.M., EST in the Commissioners’ Room of the White County Building, Monticello, Indiana with Board Members Ronald A. Schmierer, John C. Heimlich and O. D. “Bud” Ferguson, Attorney George W. Loy, Surveyor Dennis W. Sterrett and Secretary Romana Kiser in attendance.

Also attending were Engineer Todd Frauhiger, Charles Mellon, David Reiff, Contractor Allen Howe, Claude K. Butt, Rick Roller, Chad Reynolds and Robert Thomas.

Chairman Schmierer opened the meeting with the opening of sealed quotes on the A. B. Robinson Drain in Honey Creek Township, White County, Indiana. The project consists of dredging 9,125 lineal feet of open ditch down to original flow line. The bids were as follows: Mattocks and Sons $5,200.00 – Gutwein Bulldozing and Excavating $4,200.00 – Segal’s Delta Trucking $9,975.00 – Blackman Excavation $11,800.00 - County Line Tiling/Excavating $5,940.00 with Gutwein Bulldozing having the low bid. Chairman Schmierer stated that counsel will review the bids and we will come back and approve it later. Surveyor Sterrett stated that his estimate on the project was $5,437.50.

Next on the agenda was Town of Wolcott employees with maintenance questions on the open ditch part of the Unroe Drain in the Town of Wolcott. Chad Reynolds said, “We talked to Chairman Schmierer and Surveyor Sterrett about having it dredged and they want to know when it can be dredged and if you have a time frame.” Surveyor Sterrett and Chairman Schmierer said they didn’t have anyone to look at it yet. Robert Thomas said they could haul it off and they have a place to take it. Chairman Schmierer asked if they could be there when they dip it. They said that one of them would be available and they have a truck and a place to dump it. Chairman Schmierer asked, “You didn’t want us to mow that for you, did you?” Robert Thomas answered, “It was brought to our attention in the past that we could maybe be…get back some money for the labor and the equipment used and stuff on the ditch. We have two nice weed eaters but last year one of them went kapoot on us. We were just going to see if, we have never come to the Board about getting any refund on any labor or anything, or if the County can purchase a weed eater for us, for us to use on the ditch so we would have two of them to use still.”

Chairman Schmierer said we have never done that before, farmers generally mow the ditches themselves and we’ve never paid for mowing. He said the only thing we’ve ever done is spray ditches and you definitely don’t want us to spray down through there. Board Member Heimlich said if they are mowing it, they are basically maintaining it like spraying it would be. Robert Scott said it is too steep to mow so they just get in there with weed eaters. Attorney Loy said they should not purchase anything. Everyone was in agreement that they could not purchase a weed eater but they could reimburse. Attorney Loy said there is means for compensating.

Chairman Schmierer asked what they think is fair for mowing that for a year. Robert Scott said they probably mow it four times a year and two of them can do it in two good days, it takes about six or seven hours with two working. Chairman Schmierer said, “So, you are probably putting in about twelve hours four times a year, about 48 hours a year? We could probably compensate them for that. How would we go about that?”

Chairman Schmierer said, “I guess if we reimburse them for mowing, we don’t have to spray it if they keep it down and keep it clean.” Chairman Schmierer wanted to know what it would cost if we were spraying it. Surveyor Sterrett said he thought it was about twelve cents a foot that they charge for spraying. Chairman Schmierer noted that we don’t spray (each ditch) every year. He said we can probably figure out some kind of compensation. Chad Reynolds said that anything is better than nothing. (Surveyor Sterrett found that the open Unroe Ditch in the Town of Wolcott is 1,770 feet so it would cost $212.40 at twelve cents a foot.)

Next on the agenda was a drainage change request for Wayne Hunt from the

H.A.B. Moorhaus Drain to the T. J. Hines Drain. Surveyor Sterrett had an outlined map of the location of Hunt’s land, the Moorhaus Tile and the T. J. Hines Drain. Chairman Schmierer asked if that Moorhaus Tile runs right across the center of Mr. Hunt’s field primarily. Surveyor Sterrett answered yes it does. Chairman Schmierer said, “It goes right down the middle of his property and he’s tiled everything to the T. J. Hines. (Surveyor answered “right”.) So how many acres does he want to put on the T. J. Hines?” Surveyor Sterrett answered, “Well, that was our debate. He didn’t want to leave any on the Moorhaus Tile.” Chairman Schmierer said, “I told him when it goes right through the middle of your property, it is still giving you benefit.”

Board Member Heimlich asked how many landowners are on the Moorhaus. Surveyor Sterrett said there are 793 benefited acres. Chairman Schmierer said, “If I understood you, you took the 75 foot right-of-way on both sides of the ditch and figured the acreage, and you left that on the Moorhaus Tile and you put the rest of it on the T. J. Hines.” Surveyor Sterrett said, “I haven’t done that yet, but that’s what I want to do. He called me up and had me come out there and we looked at where he put the tiles in and that is what I proposed to him and I thought that was only fair.” Chairman Schmierer said, “I would think seventy-five foot on each side of the tile, with the tile running down through there, seventy-five foot on each side, I would think that tile would be that much benefit to him at least. And then you’re taking the rest of it off of there and putting it over on the T. J. Hines, right?”

Surveyor Sterrett said, “Doing it that way, there’s 5,100 feet of tile on his property, that’s still on his property, counting the branches. You take that times 150 and you come up with seventeen and a half acres.” Chairman Schmierer asked how many acres total are on that property. Surveyor Sterrett said there is a seventy-two acre tract, a seventy-seven acre tract and a twenty-two acre tract. Chairman Schmierer said, “So there’s about 170 acres and you’re going to put it on the T. J. Hines, less the seventeen and a half, I don’t understand his beef.” Board Member Heimlich said, “I don’t either. He’s got that ground down in the southwest corner, those 72.45 acres. I would think the ground in that southwest corner has got to go through the Moorhaus.”

Surveyor Sterrett said, “He told me that tile that runs west there at the north end that they ran across the Moorhaus, over the Moorhaus and connected up to an eight inch tile that runs south.” Board Member Heimlich said, “Well, that’s the one here (map) but how about this over here?” Surveyor Sterrett said, “He says there’s an eight inch that runs down here the way I understand it. His private tile.” Chairman Schmierer asked where does he pay at on that? Surveyor Sterrett said, “It used to hook into the Moorhaus.” Chairman Schmierer said, “It doesn’t now?” Surveyor Sterrett said, “That’s what he’s saying.” Board Member Heimlich said, “But there’s still ground next to the Moorhaus that’s GOT to drain into the Moorhaus.” Surveyor Sterrett agreed.

Chairman Schmierer said, “Well seventy-five feet on each side of it, that’s a no-brainer, it’s not going to be any less than that.”

Surveyor Sterrett said, “That’s our Indiana Code, legal right-of-way on the tiles and not knowing how many laterals are hooked into it.” Chairman Schmierer said, “So you took seventeen and a half acres off.” Surveyor Sterrett said, “I’m going to subtract that from the total.” Chairman Schmierer said, “Ok, and what was his total?” Surveyor Sterrett said, “I haven’t figured it yet.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “That Moorhaus Drain empties into Pike Creek (Mertz & Muck) then.” Surveyor Sterrett said, “Right, goes down back behind Trent Pherson.” Chairman Schmierer said, “I really don’t see his beef. He called and wanted John (Heimlich) and I to come out and look at it. But, I think you are right-on.” He asked Claude Butt what he thought. Mr. Butt said, “I think he does get some drainage from it. If it is like all of the drains out in that territory they’re all in bad shape. It’s a question of how useful they are. They certainly aren’t full-flow like they were.”

Contractor Allen Howe stated, “I did tie an eight inch tile that he’s talking about into this new line. We ran a fifteen inch lateral tile to the south clear down to where that Moorhaus comes into Wayne’s property from the south there. We put a riser down at the end of where, we actually ran two eight inch lines west across the Moorhaus.” Chairman Schmierer said, “I still say that seventy-five foot each side of that tile……” Allen Howe said, “I think he is questioning the 5,100 foot. Is that the lateral going east, because the one going east we did chop off completely.” Chairman Schmierer asked who did it drain, who did you stop the drainage on? No answer – map studied. Surveyor Sterrett said, “The part on the south end shows 1,900 feet is now tied into this.” Chairman Schmierer asked, “Does it drain…… so, if it goes into another person’s property you are draining it, too, there.” Allen Howe said he (Hunt) knew that. Chairman Schmierer asked if that changed anything. Surveyor Sterrett said, “Then you could take that 1,900 feet off down there I would say.” Allen Howe said, “At least part of it. Half of it. We came down to the south on that line too and put a riser about half way through. Probably about half of it I would say is now running north.” Surveyor Sterrett said he didn’t realize that. Chairman Schmierer asked Surveyor Sterrett if he was in favor of taking half of that off since they ran it the other way. Surveyor Sterrett said yes. Chairman Schmierer said, “Just re-do half of it. Put it together and get it ready for John and I sometime this week or next week and we’ll go out there.” Surveyor Sterrett said he needs to take a thousand feet off across there. Chairman Schmierer said, “Right. Get it together and tell us what we’re going to charge him for it and we’ll go explain it to him.”

It was determined that the resolution that was done in 1999 did not apply to the maintenance situation in Wolcott discussed earlier in the meeting. The Unroe Drain is on maintenance and has a maintenance fund. Chairman Schmierer stated, “If we pay twelve cents a foot to spray it, you have any idea how many feet there is, well we have to get it dipped. Denny will get someone out there to get it dipped so we can get the figures.” Robert Thomas said they could measure it and call us.

Attorney Loy said, “In the future if you do intend to do any work yourself, contact Denny (Surveyor Sterrett) first.” Chairman Schmierer said, “If they’re going to maintain it we can probably give them twelve cents a foot for the year and they can maintain it and that will save us money for spraying it.”

Claude Butt was present to discuss maintenance needed on the James Keever Tile Drain a branch of the Church Drain, through Steve Pass’s property. He stated that it has a work order on it that was written about a year ago. He said, “Allen Howe has been working on it and can shed some light on it probably. Going down through Pass, it is all broke down. This is CR 400 N, this is my home, Br. 2 comes off and the last big rain prior to this rain we had, I’ve got an air well in my back yard and there was 37 inches of water in that air well, and it is not draining at all, it drains my basement plus land east of the house and all this low land out west of the house. This is the main area of concern right now, which we have some open tile out there right now and water is not flowing. Also, over here, kind of mid-way, there’s a broken down area. I’m referring to that waterway at the south end of my field there where it is going east and west. And then it is cut into by the Hines Ditch. So, it backflows to here and the south part now comes to the Hines Ditch basically and empties.” He indicated a real serious area where nothing flows much at all. Chairman Schmierer asked how many feet there are there.

Surveyor Sterrett said, “I measured from your hole to the north end and it was 480 feet.” (Inaudible discussion on where it is opened up and where water is standing.) Claude Butt stated it has a history of breaking down rather frequently, and suck holes, and the tiles are quartered. He said it always seems to be worse through the pasture for some reason although you may disguise some of the suck holes out in the farm land by tilling and no-tilling. He said there are breakdowns in the waterway, five or six suck holes and that is the same tile. He said there was a work order last year and the big July rain just destroyed what work was done on it. Allen Howe said it just has no outlet; it is always full of water anytime you go to work on it. Chairman Schmierer asked Allen Howe, “Do you think if we fix this part it is going to help it and get the water away from his house and basement?” Allen Howe said, “I dug between the ditch up to Pass’s woods there and we thought there was a problem in there and we couldn’t find the tile.” Surveyor Sterrett said we dug a trench clear up across here and never found it. Allen said it makes a left or right turn in there someplace that is severe. He said the only way we are going to do it is just start digging down. He said they dug at Kenny Nogles and there were some spurs out there but they were on an eight inch line. Claude said he thinks that’s a branch. Claude Butt said, “This starts out as a fourteen inch tile and there’s like 2,100 feet of fourteen, so it is big for a long way probably down through this low ground.”

Surveyor Sterrett said, “I had Allen go out there because we had two suck holes. So something definitely needed to be done there. It is paid by the Church Drain and there is $11,000.00 in the maintenance fund.” Chairman Schmierer asked what we are talking about spending. Allen Howe answered, “Around $3,500.00, I give $7.00 a foot for fifteen inch tile which is what you have to replace fourteen inch tile with.” Claude Butt said, “And we kind of proposed since that’s not farmland through there and it probably never will be, run solid tile through there and help eliminate the brush issues, although I’d like to see it kept clean because it can still go in joints.” Chairman Schmierer asked if they think it will help. Surveyor Sterrett said, “I think it will, it will get this water out from here to there (indicated on map). Chairman Schmierer asked Board Member Heimlich what he thinks. He said we have the money in there to do it with. Board Member Heimlich agreed. Claude Butt said we have worked on it every little bit and they don’t always get fixed when they need to be fixed and you don’t know you have a problem until you have six inches of water in your basement or you have a pond that sits out there two weeks.

The Board discussed getting quotes on the job. It was the Board’s decision that this was an emergency repair since Mr. Butt’s basement is flooded and there is a tile setting open. The Board directed Surveyor Sterrett to give Allen Howe a work order to do the repair because it is needed for this season. Claude Butt said, “That will take care of the critical area, I do want to request that we look at the other area in the near future.”

Surveyor Sterrett reported that he went up and looked at the Hook Drain at the request of Clyde Patty. He said, “It looks like we can lower the water on the north side a foot and a half by dipping that out where the cattle are. Allen Howe did it the last time in 1998. I think he did it for $1,200.00 something and he said he would do it now for $1,500.00 and the last time there was a work order made on it.”

Chairman Schmierer asked, “That’s where the cattle are on the Hook farm?” The Surveyor answered yes. Chairman Schmierer asked David Reiff, “Is there any way we can get you to keep the cattle out of there, fix that so we don’t have this problem every three years?” Davis Reiff asked, “Is it against the law to run cattle in the ditch?” Chairman Schmierer answered, “Yes it is, really, there’s a State Statute on it. The County hasn’t enforced it. But that’s what we’re getting into. We have some other ditches, too, that we are having the same problems with. I understand you are trying to water your cattle there and I understand that. I think the pertinent place is probably up there by the road is where we get the worst damage at. If you could keep them out of that end of it, it might help us a bunch. I know it is a problem to put a wire up and everything, but there is a law against it, a State Ordinance.” David Reiff stated, “We can try.” Chairman Schmierer said we are going to have to dip the ditch to get the water down. He said, “You guys did get the gate cut off some of the bottom didn’t you? I figured you would. Was there a lot of trash in that?” Surveyor Sterrett said, “I was out there and pulled it up a little higher. I got it out of the water and pulled a lot of moss. I lowered the water.” Chairman Schmierer said, “I understand why they want the fence, too, you wouldn’t want a calf up through there. I think probably where the worst of it is, the first 100 to 200 feet from the road, where they beat it down so bad?” Surveyor Sterrett said, “It probably needs it all the way.” Chairman Schmierer said, “I know it is a problem for everybody and I know what you’re trying to do, I understand that, but if you could keep them out of that one end and still have some place where they can get water. We don’t want to have to enforce it all over the County if we can avoid it.” Dave Reiff said, “We can try that.” Chairman Schmierer said, “I’d appreciate it if you would. I’d rather do that than get into a contest. I don’t want to bicker all the time.” David Reiff thought putting barbed wire down each side would take care of it but might not keep the calves out. Chairman Schmierer said he thinks the cattle do the damage more than the calves.

Surveyor Sterrett asked, “I can go ahead and get that dipped out?” Chairman Schmierer said, “Yes, for $1,500.00 get it done.”

David Reiff was present to discuss tile problems on his ground just south of there (Hook location just discussed) on the York Tile Drain. Surveyor Sterrett said, “There again, we sent Allen Howe out checking to see what was wrong with it.” Allen Howe stated that it was full of sand. David Reiff said he and Rick Roller have about forty acres between the two of them that is drowned out because that tile is no good up through there. Chairman Schmierer asked what ditch that tile goes to. Surveyor Sterrett answered it is the Mertz & Muck Ditch. David Reiff pointed out on the map where the problem is. Surveyor Sterrett pointed out where a concrete catch basin is where the water is not flowing at all.

Chairman Schmierer asked if there was maintenance money and how many feet of tile they are talking about. Surveyor Sterrett said there is a $9,700.00 in there. Chairman Schmierer asked if it would help to use the County’s power wash to flush it out. Charlie Mellon said it would probably blow it up. Allen Howe said it is awful sandy in there. Board Member Ferguson said it is old clay tile. Chairman Schmierer asked how many feet of tile we are talking about. Surveyor Sterrett said he estimated 2,400 feet from that air well to that one (indicated on map) and it is ten or twelve inch tile.

Allen Howe said there is a possibility that part of the tile may still be ok. Dave Reiff agreed that there is a possibility that there is a piece that is good. He said he and Rick Roller are taking all the flood damage. He said the water just got off of it from last summer, Al was out there and dug a trench over to another tile and we surface drained it.

Chairman Schmierer asked, “How much a foot it costs to do the full 2,400 feet of tile? $7.00 a foot?” Allen Howe answered, “No, ten inch is less than that, roughly $4.00 a foot.” Chairman Schmierer said, “So $9,600.00 so that would almost come under reconstruction wouldn’t it, John?” Dave Reiff said they were hoping it would come out of maintenance. Surveyor Sterrett said that Reiff pays 46% of the maintenance on it. Dave Reiff said Rick Roller pays another good percentage of it. Allen Howe stated he didn’t know for sure how far it is bad, but he knows that a major part of it needs replaced, but there is a possibility that it is good up to where it turns. He said there are some risers. He also said if they are going to do it, they probably need to take it to the road and he thinks it does downsize to a 7 or 8 inch tile at the road, so that would cut your cost a little bit.

Chairman Schmierer and Board Member Heimlich agreed that the Surveyor was going to have to get quotes on the project. Board Member Heimlich asked if between Reiff and Roller they had over fifty percent of the land. They said they have well over fifty percent. They said they have forty-six percent and forty or more. Dave Reiff said they have the lion share of it between the two of them. Surveyor Sterrett said there are 393 acres in the watershed (benefited). Chairman Schmierer said they have all but 55 acres of it.

Dave Reiff stated, “It has been a problem for 20 years. We can fix tile holes for 20 years and still have junk. I would prefer that Allen does it.” Chairman Schmierer said when you get into that much money we have to quote it. The Board was in agreement to have Surveyor Sterrett go ahead and get quotes and get it done. Rick Roller asked if they were leaning toward Maintenance or Reconstruction. Board Member Heimlich stated he thinks we can do it under maintenance. Chairman Schmierer asked that they give us a written letter that they want the project done, in case anyone with these other 55 acres comes in against it. Attorney Loy said by Statute Surveyor Sterrett can solicit quotes, review them and take the lowest one if he is satisfied with it. He doesn’t have to wait until the next Drainage Board meeting to open them. Surveyor Sterrett asked how many feet to put on there because we don’t know where we have to go to get it fixed. Attorney Loy said to do it on a stated sum or variable sum per foot. Chairman Schmierer agreed he should get a quote per foot and give them seven days to quote. Attorney Loy said you only need to ASK for three quotes, you don’t have to get three.

Chairman Schmierer acknowledged that a letter has been sent to Hubbard’s Car Dealership regarding drainage not being installed and drainage fees due. Attorney Loy stated it was addressed to the General Manager, Patrick Hubbard.

Engineer Frauhiger reported on drainage projects. He stated, “On these there’s no action needed by the Board, Bill Schroeder (Hog operation site) called in for a final, we went out and inspected it, he has everything done as was approved. We are going to send him a letter and a refund, saying that he has constructed it as it was approved and he’s ready to get his refund. And, the same thing for Vanguard Trailer. They have their project done and they are ready to get their refund. We’re going to send them a letter on that, too.”

Engineer Frauhiger reported on the U-Store in Wolcott (Stoller properties). He stated, “The proposed plans were for three buildings with a detention pond. This is along County Road 900 W. This was a piece carved out of the Stoller property. Basically, what happened, the best I can tell, the one building appears to be centered on the lot and where the detention pond is supposed to go there’s a big pile of dirt right now. I can’t remember what the gentleman’s name was that owns the U-Store.”

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “This was a kind of funny deal, I think Jim Milligan surveyed off an acre and then Couts did the drainage plan and Area Plan wouldn’t let them to cut out an acre so they had to go to a subdivision. So, actually the swale, the detention is off-site of the one acre tract, it would still be on Stoller’s. This is north of Wolcott, north of the factories.” Engineer Frauhiger stated, “They only built one storage building and none of the drainage was put in. As a matter of fact, I can’t remember if that pipe was put in.” Surveyor Sterrett said he thinks it was. Engineer Frauhiger said, “I guess what we should probably do is contact Paul Couts and note that the drainage wasn’t put in and he could contact the owner, I assume that he still has some kind of contact or contract with the owner. We went out and looked at it and it was not constructed as approved. There is one building in the middle of the site and gravel all around it, no drainage put in at all.” Chairman Schmierer said they should never have gotten a building permit without the drainage being put in, that’s the way we have been doing. Surveyor Sterrett said they picked up their drainage permit. Engineer Frauhiger said we approved three buildings and drainage plan. Board Member Heimlich said they should not have been able to occupy it. Engineer Frauhiger said they already have some of those units rented. Attorney Loy stated, “Start the $500.00 a day fine going.” Engineer Frauhiger said, “We’ll get in contact with them. The only other one we went and looked at was Dahlenburg Hog Facility in Liberty Township and they had not started their construction yet.”

Chairman Schmierer asked if the low bid on the A. B. Robinson Drain maintenance project was in order. Attorney Loy answered, “Yes, Gutwein’s.”

Board Member Heimlich made a motion to accept the low bid of $4,200.00 from Gutwein Bulldozing and Excavating for the maintenance project on the A. B. Robinson Drain in Honey Creek Township. Board Member Ferguson seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously.

Board Member Ferguson made a motion to approve the minutes from the last Board meeting. Board Member Heimlich seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously.

Surveyor Sterrett reported that INDOT is going to re-do State Highway 43 and US 24 in Reynolds. Engineer Frauhiger said, “It is a pretty complicated project. I guess you (Surveyor) had a field check and you asked INDOT to contact us (CTE Engineers) and they did. Merrill (with INDOT) said there is a pretty comprehensive drainage plan which will have 3 or 4 different outlets to different open ditches. Some of the places he is actually concerned about. In addition, if you remember on US 24, north of 24 (west end of town) there is a box culvert under 24 and just north of it there is a 42 inch enclosed pipe with a couple of trailers sitting on top of the pipe (Kleyla Br. of Esther Fraser Drain). INDOT is proposing to open that back up to an open ditch, condemning both of those trailers (old Wiese Trailer Court) and buying them out and moving them along and opening that back up, which I said would be fine for us. They are also looking at doing some dredge work.” Chairman Schmierer said he didn’t know they had trailers over the ditch there. Surveyor Sterrett said they are in the right-of-way. Engineer Frauhiger said, “I think we are going to work and come up with a dredging project downstream of INDOT’S project to make sure we have sufficient fall. But, INDOT is going to dredge the ditches through town. They want to go over with us the drainage plan where they want to outlet into the ditches, what work they think needs to be done on the ditch that they are willing to do. When we get everything put together we will have to have Drainage Board approval because when they do open up that ditch and take that pipe out they will be moving one, possibly two residents out of that trailer park.” Chairman Schmierer said he thought we just cleaned and dredged that ditch. Board Member Heimlich said we did, up to Highway 24. He said at Highway 24 it becomes tile for a while through the trailer court. Chairman Schmierer asked if they were going to clean it out there where he and Surveyor Sterrett looked at debris in the ditch. Engineer Frauhiger said, “I think where you are talking about cleaning it out is just downstream from where the 42 inch pipe that the trailer park put in empties. I think they (INDOT) are going to do their project in conjunction with a maintenance project to clean the downstream out, is what Merrill was saying, but I haven’t had a chance to look.” Chairman Schmierer said, “We looked at that the other day and it is in pretty sad shape.” Engineer Frauhiger said, “He (Merrill with INDOT) said the 42 inch pipe just needs to come out. He said the Drainage Board will have to, if you want the 150 foot easement, he said INDOT is willing to condemn as many trailers as it takes to get your full easement. If you want to go with a lesser easement, they want to work all of that out with you guys (The Board) beforehand because they are going to be buying some property anyhow.” Chairman Schmierer asked, “Will INDOT be paying your expenses for it?” Engineer Frauhiger said, “No, I can check.” Chairman Schmierer said, “They ought to, they’re doing all the work, they ought to be responsible for that I think.” Engineer Frauhiger said, “Well, I don’t know. All I am doing is responding to a phone call.” Chairman Schmierer said he thinks they should pay part of it at least.

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “Also, the Town of Reynolds has a storm water drainage study and I think they are going to try to dump into those tiles that the State is going to put along there.” Engineer Frauhiger said, “What the problem is, to meet the detention ordinance, in the past the highway has usually been exempt from detention, because they’re not adding that much surface (water), but if we allow the town to tie into INDOT’S drainage system then we will probably require at least some type of detention so we don’t wash out the ditch downstream. All that has to be figured out, too. We aren’t going to design it; all we are going to do is review.”

Surveyor Sterrett reported that Mr. and Mrs. Forsythe stopped in the office Friday to report that the Harp-Helfrick Drain is silted up and they can’t get their pontoon boat up to their cottage. He said he hasn’t looked at it yet, but the way they explained it they are right on the bank of the Harp-Helfrick Drain. Charlie Mellon said a few years ago we spent $11,000.00 to clean that out where that dumps in there (old gravel pit). Charlie said that the ones that live there should have their maintenance raised on those lots there. He said that they raised the maintenance but left the cottages at $5.00. Chairman Schmierer said we didn’t do anything with that canal up there, we told them it isn’t our jurisdiction. Charlie says the guy that lives right there is right on the right-of-way. Surveyor Sterrett said he read in some old minutes that they planned to put silt traps in. Charlie said they never put the silt traps in. Surveyor Sterrett said the water level is down also. Allen Howe said there is an erosion problem on upstream that needs attention worse before you try to dip that out. Charlie Mellon said where they want that dipped out again, they should go clear to the river and dip that out, they didn’t before. Surveyor Sterrett asked if one of the Board Members could go up with him to look at it. Chairman Schmierer said he will go Thursday.

Chairman Schmierer asked if the Lane Ditch down by the airport is regulated. Surveyor Sterrett said, “Not down there.” Chairman Schmierer said, “This guy called in and was talking to John about it today. He said that the airport took a bunch of trees off and it is silted in and now they can’t get their boats in there.” Board Member Heimlich said, “I took it that it was several years ago when they cleared trees.” Surveyor Sterrett said it has probably been fifteen years. Board Member Heimlich said, “Anyway he said ever since then it washes silt down there to where they can’t get their boats in and he wondered if there was anything we can do about it. I guess we’ll have to talk to somebody on the airport board. He said he has talked to the airport and they agree that they caused the problem, but they won’t do anything about it.” Surveyor Sterrett said that is the same ditch that the gentleman is trying to straighten out because it is washing his bank out.

Chairman Schmierer adjourned the meeting.