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August 16, 2004 Tape #016

The White County Drainage Board convened at 10:30 A.M., EST in the Commissioners’ Room of the White County Building, Monticello, Indiana with Board Members Ronald A. Schmierer, John C. Heimlich and O. D. “Bud” Ferguson, Attorney George W. Loy, Surveyor Dennis W. Sterrett, Engineer L. Todd Frauhiger and Secretary Romana Kiser present.

Also attending were Jerry Sullivan and Charles Mellon.

Chairman Schmierer asked for the drainage review on the Big Monon Bay Wastewater Treatment Plant Expansion project. CTE engineer Todd Frauhiger stated, “This is a rather complicated situation. A good portion of the front of the existing waste water treatment plant here (showing a drawing) is existing compacted gravel parking lot. What’s intended is to basically pave that existing gravel, put in a new gravel access drive around the plant expansion, put in some additional inlets through a twelve inch pipe and discharge it obviously separate from the outfall from the plant. (Pointed out the plant outfall and the storm water outfall.) We looked at it a number of ways. I think in a nutshell, to provide detention, if we would come back to this twelve inch pipe and put a ten inch orifice plate on it, the water would basically back up a few inches out of these inlets at a ten year storm, and we would get our required detention. But, since we are so close to the creek and consequently so close to the river, and there seems to be very good fall from the point that we discharge in down to the river….Denny and I went out and looked the other day…..I ran something called “Beat the Peak” analysis and TR20 analysis of the entire watershed and dumped that twelve inch pipe in with no detention. What basically happens is when you don’t detain on the site, this water gets into these inlets and gets into this creek and is gone by the time the main peak from upstream gets to this point. If you put the ten inch orifice plate on it, it backs everything up and the peak flow from this site actually coincides with the peak from upstream, and you can actually see a little more water between this point and the river. I talked to Jerry (Sullivan) and Denny (Surveyor Sterrett) a little bit about this today, my recommendation is that we approve this the way it is designed, we don’t put an orifice plate on that ten inch pipe, we go ahead and let it discharge undetained into the creek. I think overall it may have a beneficial effect on the area, instead of trying to put detention in and causing the two peaks to coincide. That is my recommendation, that we approve it the way it has been designed here.”

Board Member Ferguson made a motion to approve the drainage plan for the Big Monon Bay Wastewater Treatment Plant expansion project. Board Member Heimlich seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously.

Surveyor Sterrett reported that Joe Smith contacted him a couple of weeks ago about John Freeman’s subdivision (Meadowbrook Subdivision) out by Gingrich Addition. The subdivision was approved by Area Plan in 1995 but not recorded until 1999. One lot has been sold. Mr. Smith said he might purchase the subdivision and his question was would he have to have a Drainage Plan if he bought and developed it. It was approved by Area Plan before the Drainage Ordinance went into affect but it was not recorded until 1999. Chairman Schmierer said he thought that was a legal question. Surveyor Sterrett is to ask Attorney Loy. Surveyor Sterrett said Mr. Smith was either going to purchase it that way or purchase it and then vacate it. He said that Area Plan required a Letter of Credit from Freeman to put in the roads and they tried to draw on it and the bank wouldn’t (let them), there may be a lawsuit on it. Tabled until Attorney Loy can respond.

Surveyor Sterrett reported a Mr. Barnett, out near Bud’s (Board Member Ferguson’s) place, got a DNR approval for construction in a floodway. Surveyor Sterrett said the certificate of approval is for an approximately forty foot wide by forty foot long area of the channel to Lake Shafer to be dredged to a depth of four to five feet. Board Member Ferguson said that is down at the end of his ditch. Chairman Schmierer asked if it is our ditch. Surveyor Sterrett said no, it is a private ditch, not regulated. Chairman Schmierer asked if we have anything to do with it then. Surveyor Sterrett said, “No, but this was sent to the Drainage Board so I thought I would let you look at it. It is an approval. I think he has already done it.” Board Member Ferguson said he asked him about it and he (Ferguson) didn’t care if he did it. Surveyor Sterrett said it keeps silting in so Mr. Barnett couldn’t get his boat back up there.

Surveyor Sterrett gave the Board copies of a letter that the Drainage Board had written to Area Plan in 1995 concerning drainage for Meadowbrook Subdivision (a copy filed with hard copy of these minutes).

Surveyor Sterrett reported that Joe Roach of SFLECC contacted him about Greg Jacobs filling in a ravine and they went out to the site and looked at it. Surveyor Sterrett said it is a dam; he is damming up the ravine north of his property. Chairman Schmierer asked if he owns the area he dammed up. Surveyor Sterrett said he owns SOME ground down there. Chairman Schmierer asked, “He just put a dam in there to hold the water up?” Surveyor Sterrett said, “With two tubes. It looks like the tubes are up pretty high on the banks.” Board Member Heimlich asked, “On what drain?” Surveyor Sterrett answered, “No ditch, it’s just a ravine. I haven’t had any complaints in my office and the only complaint Joe Roach had was from somebody boating down the lake and saw this wall of dirt.” Chairman Schmierer asked if it was actually going to hold the silt out of there? Surveyor Sterrett said, “Well yes, I’m sure it will.”

Engineer Frauhiger asked what he is trying to do. Surveyor Sterrett answered, “Keep the silt from going in, there’s a little bay that comes back up in there.” Chairman Schmierer said he’s trying to use the bay to put something up in there. Engineer Frauhiger said, “So he built a silt trap.” Surveyor Sterrett said, “Yes, I guess.” Charlie Mellon said, “A new kind.” Surveyor Sterrett said, “I don’t know how high it is, forty feet, fifty feet high. He had one pipe in it and he was putting another one in it.” Engineer Frauhiger said, “What happens when it holds a bunch of water back and then fails?” Surveyor Sterrett said that’s what he was worrying about. Chairman Schmierer asked how many houses it would take out. Surveyor Sterrett said, “None I guess.” Surveyor Sterrett had some photos of the site. Chairman Schmierer asked, “He didn’t get any permits or anything?” Engineer Frauhiger stated, “If it has a mile square drainage area he should’ve gotten a DNR permit to do it.” Chairman Schmierer said, “I guess we don’t have any jurisdiction over it. I’d say the SFLECC would have more jurisdiction over it than we do.” Surveyor Sterrett said, “It is hard to say whether he is on his property or not, because it looks like there is a house right next door to this. And Joe (Roach) thought maybe he (Greg Jacobs) might have gotten permission from all of those guys because there’s a house there, there’s one here and a house up here (pointed out on a map of the site area). The ravine starts right there.”

Surveyor Sterrett explained to Attorney Loy the situation with Joe Smith wanting to purchase Meadowbrook Subdivision that was discussed earlier in the meeting. He asked Attorney Loy if Mr. Smith would need a drainage plan. Attorney Loy stated that he would need a drainage plan if he bought and further developed Meadowbrook Subdivision. He stated that we go by the recording date, which was after the Drainage Ordinance went into affect. Attorney Loy stated that if Mr. Smith purchased the subdivision, vacated it and developed it into three acre lots, each new construction would need to meet the Drainage Ordinance individually, depending on the square footage.

Surveyor Sterrett reported, “I have the J. P. Carr Drain on the drafting table and we are also working on the Fern McKillip & Br.#1 Drain.” Chairman Schmierer said, “You have a landowners’ meeting on the H. D. Renwick scheduled for the first meeting in September. That will be on September 7, 2004.

Board Member Heimlich made a motion to approve the minutes of the last meeting. Board Member Ferguson seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously.

Board Member Heimlich stated, “Roger Wiese talked to me about, I think he said he talked to you about it a while back, on the Fraser Ditch east of CR 300 W near the bridge there, he said there was a sizeable area silted in, 500 to 1,000 feet. He wanted to know if I could take a look at it and what I thought, whether there was, I suppose, if something could be done under maintenance if it is just an area……I know on that Fraser when it was dug maybe ten years ago, maybe longer than that when that was reconstructed, but right after that happened, that one April we got an 8 or 9 inch rain and there were a lot of places that caved in. From what he was describing, I haven’t looked at it yet, but I’d say that is probably what it was. So I told him I would bring it up. I will go out there with you sometime and look at it.” Surveyor Sterrett said, “If it is about 1,000 feet do we just send somebody to do it or do we have to go through a bidding process?” Board Member said, “I would think we could just do it under maintenance if it is indeed that small.”

Chairman Schmierer adjourned the meeting.