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March 16, 2009 Tape #07

The White County Drainage Board convened at 10:30 A.M. in the Commissioners’ Room of the White County Building, Monticello, Indiana, with Board Members Ron Schmierer, John Heimlich and Steve Burton, Attorney George W. Loy, Surveyor Dennis Sterrett, Drainage Assistant Mary Sterrett and Secretary Jamie Rozzi in attendance.

 

Others in attendance were:

Charlie Mellon

NIPSCO Representative – Bill Warren

Glenn Thompson

Buffalo Residents – Troy VanMeter, Herbert Hunt, Dwayne Hunt, and an unidentified Buffalo area landowner

The first item on the agenda was to approve the minutes from the March 2, 2009 meeting and the special meeting on March 6, 2009. Board Member Heimlich so moved. Board Member Burton seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.

 

The next item is a request for an exemption from the Drainage Ordinance for White Rock Sub #2 owned by Walter Sparks.

 

Surveyor Sterrett explained, “Mr. Sparks is subdividing his place into a two lot subdivision. One lot is an existing house and the other one has a barn on it.”

 

“Where is this located?” Chairman Schmierer asked.

 

“350 North and then back toward the lake,” Surveyor Sterrett replied.

 

“Nothing is really changing other than he is just dividing…what is he dividing out?” Chairman Schmierer asked.

 

“Well, that’s it. There is the existing house (1.8 acres) and the other lot is about a little over five acres. It’s a pretty big area. Mr. Sparks is here if you have any questions,” Surveyor Sterrett explained.

 

Board Member Burton asked, “How are they going to access the back property?”

 

“They have 55 feet right there. The road is right here…,” Surveyor Sterrett replied.

 

“Is it a county road?” Chairman Schmierer asked.

 

“Yes,” Surveyor Sterrett replied.

 

“So, there is no new building. Are there any drainage problems there now, that you know of?” Board Member Heimlich asked.

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “I didn’t see any. There is a kind of swale down in here. It’s all pasture. There are some pine trees up here.”

 

“It’s only a difference of four feet on the entire property,” Board Member Burton stated.

 

“The surveyor (Jim Milligan) is requesting an exemption from the Drainage Ordinance,” Surveyor Sterrett explained.

 

Attorney Loy stated, “By virtue of his subdividing this into two lots…that is all the waiver would be for…for future development that would be a different thing.”

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “I don’t see any problem with it, do you?”

 

“Are you ok with it, Surveyor Sterrett?” Board Member Burton asked.

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “I’m ok with it.”

 

Board Member Heimlich made a motion to grant an exemption from the Drainage Ordinance to White Rock Sub #2. Board Member Burton seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.

 

The next item on the agenda was NIPSCO for a Consent to Encroach on the James Carter Ditch. Surveyor Sterrett explained, “This is out on North Sixth Street on the James Carter Ditch.”

 

Chairman Schmierer questioned, “Right there at Condo’s, where the Carter ditch comes in? What do they want done?”

 

“Yes, right south of there. Bill Warren is here from NIPSCO to explain what they are going to do,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

Mr. Warren explained, “Brock Gutwein purchased that property in behind the old Hornback-Sickler place there and we have to get electric, primary and natural gas back to that property. We initially tried to get an easement from Mr. Kearney who owns the actual frontage there, but he wouldn’t grant us one. Brock owns the property to the north of Mr. Kearney and we can use that as access to get in there, but the only problem is that comes down through your ditch easement there. It would be a

 

 

 

 

 

joint trench, electric would be in conduit, it will probably be a maximum of 12,500 volts primary line and then a natural gas line would go in the same trench. That’s basically the route, the centerline of the easement that we asked Brock to give us, but we didn’t realize that there was also a drainage easement.”

 

Board Member Heimlich stated, “So everything is underground.”

 

“Yes, it will all be buried,” Mr. Warren replied.

 

“How deep?” Board Member Heimlich asked.

 

“Four feet for the electric and about three feet for the gas; in the same trench,” Mr. Warren explained.

 

Chairman Schmierer asked, “What happens when we go to clean that ditch?”

 

Mr. Warren explained, “Well, that’s why I’m bringing that to your attention. Basically, this actually sits…Surveyor Sterrett got a measurement on that…I didn’t realize you needed that, but it’s 25 feet from the center line of that…”

 

Surveyor Sterrett explained, “Actually, 25 feet is from the north edge of your easement….from the top of bank to the north side of the easement. So, that is as close as you’ll be. Down at the other end is 35 feet.”

 

Mr. Warren stated, “The only concern I would have, obviously, would be if you decided to dredge that and pile the spoil on top of our buried lines which probably wouldn’t be a problem unless we’d ever have to dig it up. It’s just going to add more cover on top of it.”

 

“But it wouldn’t be a problem to have equipment on it?” Board Member Heimlich asked.

 

“No, not at all,” Mr. Warren stated.

 

“Because we do have a commitment on the other side…it’s not a case where…,” Board Member Heimlich stated.

 

Surveyor Sterrett explained, “Back in 2006, we also granted an easement for a water and sewer line to Dave Hornback and this is about in the same place.”

 

“It’s pretty close; it actually sits a little bit south of that. We’re basically going to follow the roadway there and also in addition to that we are going to make provisions there to possibly extend that. Apparently Charlie Geier owns the property to the west of that which he intends to develop, I guess, into some commercial properties,” Mr. Warren stated.

 

“And this will be the access?” Board Member Burton asked.

 

“Yes,” Mr. Warren replied.

 

“It’s going to become a busy drive,” Board Member Burton stated.

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “I believe he has four, three acre tracts cut out back behind that building.”

 

“Our plan is to build around the current water line,” Mr. Warren stated.

 

“Why can’t you put it on the other side or something…like on the other side of the property or something?” Chairman Schmierer asked.

 

Mr. Warren explained, “We tried that, the way that property is, he actually…it’s kind of L-shaped. In other words, the frontage of that property is owned by Mr. Kearney who would not grant us an easement. We could go, probably on the south side of that driveway, but it kind of angles and has a strange angle to it and it doesn’t really follow the drive itself and we’d put our facilities right under the driven portion of that road. That is a lot of weight going across there and we’re concerned about damage to our facilities.”

 

“If we clean that there probably wouldn’t be more than two feet of spoil, right?” Board Member Burton asked.

 

“I would say the spoil we could haul out,” Board Member Heimlich stated.

 

Surveyor Sterrett explained, “Charlie Geier has a bank…that’s not the top of the bank of the ditch right there. That’s his bank and then over is the top…and it is three foot lower than that swale he has piled in there.”

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “I’m concerned if you put it in there and we have to clean it we have major problems.”

 

“Well, we already got water lines and sewer lines in there,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

“I’m going to hug that right-of-way as much as possible,” Mr. Warren stated.

 

Board Member Heimlich stated, “As long as it’s not a problem for us to have a digger in there on top of it. I don’t…”

 

“We could give him a Consent to Encroach like we did for Hornback and then they…,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

Board Member Burton stated, “Make him responsible for…”

 

Attorney Loy stated, “Yeah, I guess the concern you have is if…you got electric and gas.”

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “Well, if you’re going to let him put it there, put it into a Consent to Encroach, that way if there is a problem they have to take it out. If we go to work to do the ditch and it gets damaged then we’re not liable for it. Otherwise, we’ll be liable for it.”

 

Attorney Loy stated, “When it comes to…it wouldn’t necessarily be an easement because…what you are looking for is a Consent to Encroach on our right-of-way…our easement.”

 

“We’re actually getting an easement from Brock only because…,” Mr. Warren explained.

 

“He owns it. He owns the property, but you can’t put any permanent improvements on our right-of-way without our consent and the only way we can give that consent is…it’s pretty one-sided to the county because it has to be. If, for any reason down the road, we have to work, which we can’t foresee at the moment, it’s your responsibility to remove what you are putting in there with fairly short notice at your cost,” Attorney Loy explained.

 

Board Member Heimlich stated, “I don’t see where that should ever be an issue. I mean, I know how it’s going to read, but they are going to be far enough off the ditch it isn’t going to move over that far.”

 

Attorney Loy stated, “I assume there will be some sort of markers, some above ground markers that tell people…”

 

“We typically do on the gas; we normally put yellow markers in the ground that say ‘natural gas-do not dig’ or whatever. I guess…,” Mr. Warren explained.

 

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Are there any tile that come into the ditch along there?”

 

Surveyor Sterrett replied, “There are some surface drains down farther, yes…”

 

“What about that big one that comes from the south?” Chairman Schmierer asked.

 

“That’s on down….600 feet back there. I went back and looked at it. That is the Altman Tile,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

Attorney Loy asked, “The Consent to Encroach that we gave Condo isn’t involved here, right?”

 

“It’s on the other side,” Board Member Burton stated.

 

“But, that doesn’t screw us up?” Attorney Loy asked.

 

“No,” Chairman Schmierer replied.

 

Mr. Warren explained, “Well, that is something we’ll have to take into consideration is the fact that we would have to possibly remove that if for any reason…”

 

“And it has to be that way,” Attorney Loy stated.

 

“Well, I guess right now I’m asking if we could get a consent. If, I guess it’s determined that they can’t live with that…I suppose we could just let you rescind it, or whatever,” Mr. Warren explained.

 

Attorney Loy stated, “Well, it’s something that I’ll have to prepare and give to you and if it doesn’t fly…”

 

“How about if I check with…before you do that to save you the work. If they are willing to live with that, then we’ll go that route,” Mr. Warren stated.

 

Surveyor Sterrett asked, “Do we need to make a decision today?”

 

“You can…and you can check and if it’s not done, it’s not done and we’ll just put on the record next time that NIPSCO declined and that’s that,” Attorney Loy stated.

 

Board Member Heimlich asked, “How far back is it from the top of the bank?”

 

“It’s 25 feet…the closest is…,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

Board Member Heimlich, “Oh, that is from the top of the bank.”

 

Board Member Burton stated, “Closest to Sixth Street; so it’s going to cross that drive. So, they are going to be driving on part of it. So, if it’s capable of having driveway traffic, the excavator probably is not going to…”

 

Attorney Loy asked, “This probably here is Kearney?”

 

Mr. Warren explained, “Yes, and that is correct. And we approached him, actually Brock approached him to get an easement because we were going to come on the south side of his property, to get back that way…but he wouldn’t call Brock back. He gave him my number and he wouldn’t call back…so obviously he’s not…”

 

“So, the property owner here is who again?” Attorney Loy asked.

 

Mr. Warren replied, “That is Brock.”

 

“And again, you know you have to get an easement from him. That is what that survey is that he is showing. What he has highlighted there is the description Jim Milligan…” Mr. Warren replied.

 

Attorney Loy stated, “And this is for electric and gas.”

 

“Yes, that is correct,” Mr. Warren replied.

 

Board Member Heimlich made motion to grant a Consent to Encroach on the James Carter Ditch to NIPSCO; just west of Sixth Street. Board Member Burton seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.

 

The next item to discuss is the Youngmeyer Tile.

 

Surveyor Sterrett explained, “I see we have some landowners here. I was called to look at the water running across the surface. It is north of Buffalo on 1000N and then east about ¾ of a mile from 700E. Do you want to explain your pictures, Mr. Hunt?”

 

Mr. Dwayne Hunt explained, “Well, this is the property line between VanMeter and Hunt farms and there is a tile in there that I believe that had been put in recently, it’s about 6 inch clay tile, and this water is coming through the tile/culvert under the road and it is emptying onto the surface of the ground. This photo is after it starting raining on that first Saturday…with the recent flooding. This water is starting out there and following the path of the underground Youngmeyer Tile and going all the way to the culvert that empties into the river, on the surface. This is the water that is on the VanMeter farm.”

 

Mr. Troy VanMeter explained, “And what you don’t see, because it’s underwater, there is an airwell that goes into the Youngmeyer Tile and there is also probably a two foot culvert underneath the county road. The airwell sits probably eight inches below the culvert and basically, the Youngmeyer Tile…I’ve been watching that…with all these big heavy rains that airwell that is right there, from that point on that tile is carrying a trickle. It is restricted somewhere.”

 

Surveyor Sterrett asked, “You think the Youngmeyer Tile is restricted?”

 

Mr. VanMeter replied, “Oh, I don’t think…I know it is.”

 

“It’s restricted between the airwell and the outlet?” Chairman Schmierer asked.

 

“Yes,” Mr. VanMeter replied.

 

“Where does the outlet go, Surveyor Sterrett?” Chairman Schmierer asked.

 

Surveyor Sterrett, “It drains down and empties down into the A. Good Ditch. When I was out there last week, these are my pictures. You couldn’t see the outlet because it’s down underneath the culvert that goes under the county road. I went over and talked to Bob Bowsher about it. I couldn’t determine whether it was plugged up or not because there was too much water.”

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “There is no way. I understand that.”

 

Mr. Dwayne Hunt stated, “On that last picture you had there…just where the trees are there or the trees below toward the outlet. If we got problems there’s a good chance it’s by those trees because of the roots.”

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “That’s why I wanted to look at the outlet.”

 

Mr. Herbert Hunt explained, “There are several locations where there are prime opportunity for that to be restricted, but it’s not carrying near the water it should.”

 

“Is this Youngmeyer Tile on maintenance?” Chairman Schmierer asked.

 

Surveyor Sterrett replied, “Yes. It drains 278 acres and its $2.50 per acre. There is $2,300.00 in there (maintenance fund) right now.”

 

Mr. Dwayne Hunt stated, “The way those trees are it’s a good chance that is where…that’s toward the outlet and that fence row.”

 

Surveyor Sterrett explained, “This is where the water is standing on the north side of the road. The tile comes down through here, curves around, and outlets right here. So there could be…”

 

Board Member Heimlich asked, “So, that one picture, the tile is in the bottom of like a natural waterway or a dug waterway or what?”

 

“The tile under the road?” Surveyor Sterrett asked.

 

“You said like a swale…you said, or somebody said that is where the tile was,” Board Member Heimlich stated.

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “Well, yeah, that is right by the property line and I couldn’t...”

 

“Where they put in the tile; the swale, and it goes right over the top of the tile,” Chairman Schmierer stated.

 

“It’s just following the route of the tile,” Mr. Herbert Hunt stated.

 

Surveyor Sterrett continued, “I assume there must be a culvert under 1000…”

 

“It’s at least two feet, it might be bigger than that,” Mr. Herbert Hunt stated.

 

“So, that is where the water is getting out, coming across the road and coming over. This is the first time I have been out to this tile…so there could be a blockage in it. There is a chance of being one at the fence line…,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

Mr. Dwayne Hunt stated, “Along that wooded area there…where you show it going across the field. See where it’s going it is going north/south, that’s trees on top of that tile. So, if you were going to go around it you’d probably have to put a tile in the field and bypass that section of it.”

 

“Who is the property owner through there?” Board Member Burton asked.

 

“Hunt,” Sterrett replied.

 

“I think personally you should just get rid of those trees and check and see if that is where the blockage is,” Mr. Dwayne Hunt stated.

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “Well, you might be able to get…you’ll have to wait until the water goes down. You might get out there and get the county’s vacuum and go down through there too. You might be able to tell something…”

 

Mr. Dwayne Hunt stated, “After it cuts across this field here, it’s following along this fence row, comes down to here, and then it’s going across over here. All of us…there are a lot of trees on it. The whole natural flow of where that tile is at has trees over it. So many that the only way to bypass it is about 300 yards out in the field and bypass that area of the tile.”

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “You are kind of talking about unlimited funds if you do that. It would have to be reconstruction.”

 

“Just think of the cost if the whole thing was not functioning anymore,” Mr. Hunt stated.

 

Board Member Burton explained, “At this point, we need to wait until it (the water) gets off. I’m going to speak for the Surveyor here I think and do some exploration cutting or let him at least look at it and if we have to bring somebody in to…or is that not proper?”

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “Yeah that is what I was planning on…”

 

Board Member Burton stated, “We can assume a whole lot of something right now until we get the water down to where we can…”

 

“Well, that’s why I’m hoping the water is going to go down because that lower field where all this water is flowing into now like never before, can’t even be planted….probably won’t be able to,” Mr. Dwayne Hunt stated.

 

“Is that lower field…is that up behind Maple Bend?” Chairman Schmierer asked.

 

“No, its north of that,” Mr. Dwayne Hunt stated.

 

Mr. VanMeter asked, “Since you mentioned Maple Bend, can you scroll down on your picture? This is another issue. This is my property here, but down through here at the end of the road where a lot of this natural drainage goes….they have been in hauling dirt for 10 years, ever since I’ve lived there they’ve been hauling dirt every summer and they are raising that. That is disrupting a lot of the natural water flow and backing it up really bad in this woods and that field because there is no natural escape anymore for the surface water, which causes the back-up.”

 

“You know they can’t do that…,” Mr. Dwayne Hunt stated.

 

“They built the house without a permit, too. So, it’s an ongoing…,” Mr. VanMeter stated.

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “I know where that house is at.”

 

Mr. Herbert Hunt stated, “That low ground that Dwayne was talking about where the water drains and he built it up. My dad got that farm in the early 60’s, we farmed all that ground in the bottom, and then when Tymer got in there and started filling that in, it just started going back and he was supposed to put a tile, culvert. We went through…it’s probably been about three or four years ago…I know Chairman Schmierer knows about it….put a culvert in to drain that area and he wouldn’t do it.”

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “Well, he even closed in that one natural…there was a natural pond down there on that property, he even filled that in. Your dad was still alive when he did that. It created quite a problem. I thought for a minute that is where we were talking about.”

 

Mr. VanMeter stated, “Well, last summer after the flood, I put an 18 inch culvert to go underneath the road because we’ve got waterways here that’s helping to drain some of Jack’s and draining both ways here…and there’s a natural waterway and an eight in tile all the way through this…a solid tile to keep the tree roots out, but it didn’t have any way to get underneath the road. So, last summer we put in a nice 18 inch tile because it used to pond right here real bad and since then, the last few heavy rains we’ve got it’s flowing pretty good through that. In fact, that culvert sits dry most of the time, but even as simple as putting in another culvert to get rid of the surface water...that would help tremendously because that has been the natural water flow through there forever.”

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “Well, we’ll just have to wait on nature to get the water down and he’ll have to go out and look at it and see what we can do with it, see what we can figure out.”

 

“I think there are some fairly cost effective means to make that water flow better and not…,” Mr. VanMeter stated.

 

“Are you talking about the Youngmeyer Tile or that other?” Mr. Herbert Hunt asked.

 

Mr. VanMeter stated, “Well, both actually. We need to get the Youngmeyer Tile flowing water the way it ought to, but…when we still get these five and six inch rains like we’ve been getting…we’re going to have to handle surface water also.”

 

“Well, when the water goes down the Surveyor will get out there as soon as he can,” Chairman Schmierer stated.

 

Mr. Herbert Hunt, “The culvert that goes under that road that goes back in here from Bob Bowsher’s coming down, the under side of it has rusted out. I was down there this morning about 9:00 and the underside of that corrugated culvert has rusted out and it’s running out on top of that…”

 

“Is that a county culvert?” Chairman Schmierer asked.

 

“No, it’s a private drive, it would be up to the cottage owners back in there to maintain that road and the culvert under it,” Mr. Herbert Hunt stated.

 

Surveyor Sterrett asked, “Could you see the culvert?”

 

“It’s just barely showing up. There’s not a lot of that tile showing up yet, it’s still pretty well under water,” Mr. Herbert Hunt.

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “So, the river is still backed up into the…”

 

Chairman Schmierer thanked the landowners for coming in.

 

The next item on the agenda was the Owen-Denton Joint Board regarding payment of those members.

 

Drainage Assistant Mary Sterrett explained, “We had a phone call from Janet Kingman, which is Jasper County’s Secretary, and she is requesting money to pay for the fifth member. Our percentage would be 21 percent.”

 

Surveyor Sterrett explained, “I think we are supposed to share the cost. I think we did that

with Cass County. So, do we take it out of the General Fund?”

Chairman Schmierer stated, “Take it out of the drainage assessment for that ditch.”

 

“That is what they are trying to do, is get it on assessment,” Surveyor Sterrett explained.

 

Board Member Heimlich stated, “I think….can you pay it and then be reimbursed? That is how it would work I think.”

 

“So we would do that with the lawyer bill too, and all the bills that we get?” Drainage Assistant Sterrett asked.

 

“It would be the same way,” Attorney Loy stated.

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “Well, you’ll have to pay it out and then put it back is what you’ll have to do.”

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “But, I guess if it doesn’t become a regulated drain…”

 

“Everyone would just go on their way,” Attorney Loy stated.

 

Chairman Schmierer asked if there was anything else for the Drainage Board.

 

Surveyor Sterrett explained, “This morning Jay McLaughlin came in. This is on the Carter-Hines Ditch where Mike (Ezra) has cleaned the brush off of one side.”

 

“What’s his complaint?” Chairman Schmierer asked.

 

“The brush came down…this is old brush, it didn’t look like new brush, got in front of the twin tank cars, blocked it up and water went around and over the tank cars and ate both sides of the tank cars out,” Surveyor Sterrett explained.

 

Chairman Schmierer asked, “Has Mike seen it yet?”

“I called Mike this morning. He was going to go take a look at it,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

“I wondered if we should pay for it out of the maintenance fund? It’s a private crossing,” Surveyor Sterrett questioned.

 

“Well, it got destroyed,” Chairman Schmierer stated.

 

Attorney Loy stated, “It’s a private crossing…that fell apart.”

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “Well, what happened is brush and everything came down…when we had the flood and blocked up the…”

 

“And we don’t know whether it would have come down anyway or whether what we did…,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

Board Member Burton stated, “Surveyor Sterrett and I were out there and there was some old brush that was laying there that when we took a lot of this current growth off and exposed that, which is allowing it to move more now….so it held it back and now that we’ve cleaned this, stuff is moving.”

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “I can’t believe the water is moving like that.”

 

“Well, we had a lot of water,” Attorney Loy stated.

 

“So, it wasn’t stuff that he had cut and hadn’t…,” Board Member Heimlich stated.

 

“No, it wasn’t green stuff. It was old stuff. I haven’t been out there, but I’m just looking at the pictures,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “I wouldn’t say it was Mike’s fault. It’s not his fault, he can’t control that. It’s going to take some work and some money to fix that. But, by the same token, even though it’s a private crossing the tanks are there.”

 

Board Member Heimlich stated, “I think we need to take care of it.”

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “Well, he’s still got an excavator sitting out there and he said he was going to run down there this morning and see what he could do. It’s not an emergency until planting time comes because that is the way they get across the ditch.”

 

“But, he can give you an estimate of what it’s going to cost to get it done, that’s all we can do,” Chairman Schmierer stated.

 

Chairman Schmierer asked if there was anything else for the Drainage Board.

 

Mr. Glenn Thompson spoke, “I’d have a question for the Surveyor, north of Buffalo on the Harp-Helfrick at the county line. Are you getting anything done on that? You told me two years ago one year ago and I was just curious whether we’ll have it done before another year…those two branches?”

 

Surveyor Sterrett questioned, “Two branches?”

 

“On the Harp-Helfrick…there’s an east branch and the other one is to the west, where Mike had cleaned right there around the county line, both of those and from there go up into Pulaski County,” Mr. Thompson stated.

“I’ll try to get to it,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

Mr. Thompson questioned, “Another year?”

 

“Yeah,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

“I mean that’s…we need it done is what we need. It’s bad…the one to the west is the worst, but…that is the one where Pulaski County said they would handle it if you turn it over to them, but that didn’t work out the way I understood it, is that right?” Mr. Thompson asked.

 

Surveyor Sterrett replied, “They said they would survey it.”

 

Mr. Thompson stated, “And they would handle it too, right? If you would like them do it.”

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “No, they just said they would survey it and we didn’t say anything about not letting them do it.”

 

“That was my understanding on it,” Mr. Thompson stated.

 

“From who?” Surveyor Sterrett asked.

 

Mr. Thompson replied, “From Joyce (Jasper County Surveyor).”

 

Surveyor Sterrett stated, “It’s our ditch.”

 

“There’s more acres in Pulaski County than White County on the whole ditch,” Mr. Thompson stated.

 

Board Member Burton asked, “Well, there wouldn’t be if it’s our ditch. There should be more area in White County than Pulaski County; otherwise, it would be our ditch, right?”

 

Surveyor Sterrett replied, “Well, I wouldn’t think it would be, but…we collect the maintenance on it. I don’t think there’s going to be enough maintenance in the fund to…because it’s got a bunch of brush on it.”

 

“The one branch has nothing…that branch to the east seems like you could go in there without even being surveyed or anything and just dip it and it would be in good shape. Now, the west one through Coonrod there is probably a quarter mile of brush that is bad…I mean bad, and there is a little bit up on Palokovich that’s got brush…but the east branch, there’s not brush on that at all,” Mr. Thompson explained.

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “Well, it’s already been petitioned to be cleaned, right?”

 

“Yeah,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

“It was petitioned….you said you put it on the list. I didn’t know,” Mr. Thompson stated.

 

Surveyor Sterrett replied, “Well, I don’t remember whether it was petitioned or not.”

 

Mr. Thompson stated, “Because I asked you if I needed to petition it a year ago and you said no it was already in for being done.”

 

Chairman Schmierer stated, “I think it’s on your petition list in there.”

 

“If we need a petition we can get a petition. It’ll still be in line,” Surveyor Sterrett stated.

 

“Yeah, I just don’t want a year from now to say that we need a petition and then start over again,” Mr. Thompson stated.

 

Chairman Schmierer asked if there was anything further for the Drainage Board. Chairman Schmierer then adjourned the meeting.