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The White County Area Plan Commission met Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 7:30 p.m. in the Commissioners’ Meeting Room, Second Floor, County Building, Monticello, Indiana.

Members attending were: Jay Clawson, Gary Barbour, David Rosenbarger, Charles Anderson, David Scott, Charles Mellon, Don Ward, Dennis Sterrett. Also attending were Attorney Altman and Director Weaver.

Visitors Attending were: Connie Flick, Troy Hartzler and Angie Hartzler

The meeting was called to order by President Charles Anderson and roll call was taken. Jay Clawson made a motion to dispense with reading and approve the minutes of the September 22, 2004 meeting. Motion was carried unanimously.

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#862 Edwin P. Meyers, Owner; Troy M. & Angela G. Hartzler, Applicant: The property is located on Lots 29 & 30 in the O.P. in the Town of Chalmers at 120 S. Second Street.

Violation: None

Request: They are requesting to rezone from B-1 to B-2.

President Charles Anderson asked, is there anyone here representing this request? Please come forwards and state your name.

Troy Hartzler stated, I’m Troy Hartzler.

President Charles Anderson asked, do any of the Commissioners have any questions for Mr. Hartzler?

Don Ward asked, does this have to go to the BZA?

Director Weaver stated, it does not meet the size requirements.

Don Ward asked, will it have to go to the BZA?

Director Weaver stated, it is too small. It is two small lots.

Don Ward asked, is the building on the property, I haven’t seen.

Troy Hartzler stated, I believe so.

Director Weaver stated, yes, you’ve got pictures too. The building pretty much takes up both lots.

Troy Hartzler stated, yes. I believe there are 16’ off the back of it.

Director Weaver stated, the cars that you have parked on the South side, are those on your property.

Troy Hartzler stated, I believe so.

Don Ward stated, that bank-parking lot is there.

David Rosenbarger stated, the guardrail is pretty close there.

Several talking at once.

David Rosenbarger asked, what is the difference between going to the BZA to have the setbacks changed verses having the lots combined to one? Would it meet the size requirements if it was one lot?

Director Weaver stated, they are already combined on the tax bill.

David Rosenbarger stated, then it should meet the lot requirement.

Director Weaver stated, it still does not meet the size requirements. They are on one tax bill now and the lot, they have a 40’ frontage and 76’ depth.

Don Ward asked, each lot?

Director Weaver repeated, each lot? No total.

Several talking at once.

President Charles Anderson asked, are there any more questions?

Attorney Altman stated, I just think you need it clear that he needs to have it approved that way to get rid of the size problem.

President Charles Anderson stated, but we can go ahead.

Attorney Altman stated, yes, yes. In other words it doesn’t have to be zoning problem.

Jay Clawson asked, a what problem?

Attorney Altman stated, a zoning problem, it does need to be approved through the BZA, we can go ahead on the zoning matter and then vote on this.

President Charles Anderson stated, right now it still doesn’t meet the...

Attorney Altman stated, he has to go to the BZA.

David Rosenbarger stated, so you are saying it is contingent upon BZA.

Attorney Altman stated, no I don’t think so. I never did agree.

President Charles Anderson stated, well he is grandfathered the way he is. If we change his zoning, of course he needs the zoning changed any way or he wouldn’t be here.

Attorney Altman stated, there is no problem on what he is doing. He would be better when he gets BZA to approve the size problem. I think you can proceed. I never agreed with the problem as it was in Idaville, if you remember. I think we can proceed with the rezoning even if it is a sub-size lot.

David Rosenbarger stated, because it is already there.

Attorney Altman stated, yes, because it is already there. Can’t create them, but when they are there.

David Rosenbarger stated, so in other words he doesn’t have to go BZA unless he wants to do something different to the building.

Attorney Altman stated, correct.

Don Ward asked, why is he rezoning from B-1 to a B-2?

David Rosenbarger stated, so he can sell cars.

Troy Hartzler stated, so I can legally sell cars.

Jay Clawson stated, so the only way he would go to the BZA is if he wants to do something to the buildings.

Attorney Altman stated, right.

Without further discussion the board voted.

The results of the vote were as follows: 8 affirmative and 0 negative. This will be presented to the Town of Chalmers for their action.

#298 Connie L. & Connie K. Flick; Requesting approval of a 2 lot subdivision to be known as Rickey Road Subdivision on 1.496 acre. The property is located in the City of Monticello at 203 and 205 Rickey Road. Tabled from the September 22, 2004 meeting.

President Charles Anderson stated, we asked for some things to be put on there. Did that get done?

Director Weaver stated, I believe so, I have also given the board a copy of a letter I sent to Mr. Flick and his surveyor to get those changes made.

President Charles Anderson asked, do the Commissioners have any questions?

The board is currently going over the plats.

President Charles Anderson stated, okay the standards of the Subdivision control ordinance have been meet.

Director Weaver stated, yes, I do want to clarify one thing though that we discussed in the last meeting. It was asked if anyone lives in the home and at that time Mr. Flick was not sure who lived in the home. It is being used as a home as well as a day care.

Connie Flick stated, yes, I was asked if she lived there and I said no. He daughter lives there.

Director Weaver stated, it is zoned B-2 General Business.

Attorney Altman stated, it has been there forever, I mean someone has been living there.

Don Ward asked, did we find the water line.

Jay Clawson asked, was it rezoned in 1982?

Director Weaver stated, it was rezoned from an R-2 to a B-2 in 1982.

Attorney Altman stated, of course under that ordinance it really isn’t a problem.

Don Ward asked, Denny is that easement okay.

Dennis Sterrett stated, it is not really.

Don Ward stated, spelled out.

Dennis Sterrett stated, no it is not.

Don Ward stated, the easement is not spelled out. I hate to be picky, but.

Director Weaver stated, I did not receive a corrected secondary plat.

Attorney Altman stated, so what should it show on the correct secondary plat.

Dennis Sterrett stated, well there really is no way to plot the water lines, there are no dimensions from the lot lines.

David Rosenbarger stated, it needs to be dimensional so it can be located.

Attorney Altman stated, so that.

David Rosenbarger stated, so that it is never questioned where it is.

Attorney Altman stated, now that you point it out I see that and of course you are right. This is good enough for a primary.

Don Ward stated, yes.

Attorney Altman stated, given the fact that it is clearly stated and it is clearly to scale.

President Charles Anderson asked, can we do the secondary contingent upon that he puts or locates it on the secondary?

Attorney Altman stated, yes, I would be satisfied with that.

President Charles Anderson stated, let's go ahead and do the primary.

The Primary Approval Request for a 2 lot subdivision to be known as Rickey Road Subdivision located in the City of Monticello, was approved by a vote of 8 to 0, based on a finding of fact that the Standards of the Subdivision Control Ordinance have been met.

The Secondary Approval request for a subdivision to be known as Rickey Road Subdivision located in the City of Monticello, was approved by a vote of 8 to 0, based on a finding of fact that the Standards of the Subdivision Control Ordinance have been met, primary approval has been granted and the Subdivision is in compliance.

Attorney Altman stated, the water line is to be clearly described on lot 2 on the secondary plat. This is a condition on this being passed.

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President Charles Anderson stated, okay next on the agenda is business and we have some business. Does anyone want to talk?

Director Weaver stated, yes we have a bill that I submitted to you for Joe Bumbleburg. He was addressing a matter for the BZA with the clarification of the ordinance for us and he submitted to us a detailed bill to us and I was just asking for approval to pay that bill.

President Charles Anderson stated, we don’ t have to vote on this we just need it approved. Do we have a second on this?

Don Ward stated, I will second it.

President Charles Anderson stated, so moved, bill approved.

Attorney Altman asked, what else Diann?

Director Weaver stated, we have some amendments that we need to do. We need to clarify our definition of a front yard. We just had the Williamson lawsuit which was partially because, one of the facts that was brought up was because I treated both streets front as a front yard. This ordinance kind of contradicts itself. I did go back in the old ordinance and it sets it right out. The definition for a front yard, a corner lot does have two front yards. It just says it point blank.

President Charles Anderson stated, that was the old ordinance and the new one doesn’t have that. Do we want to change this ordinance or do we want to see if the other ordinance.

Director Weaver stated, I think this is something that we need to address now.

Don Ward stated, I think in order to have two front yards it has to have a door facing each street.

David Rosenbarger stated, the problem Don in the Williamson case technically he has three fronts then.

Director Weaver stated, what we usually do, and you are talking a difference of a rear and a front is 2’ that is the only difference.

David Rosenbarger stated, I mean he is talking about a door. He has a door on all three sides.

Dennis Sterrett stated, I didn’t think he had one on the highway.

David Rosenbarger stated, yes on the highway.

Director Weaver stated, we have treated some like that, that they do have 3 fronts. Then we call the one a side where they only have to meet the 8’. We need to.

Attorney Altman stated, the simplest thing is to be consistent with what we have done in the past and just go with the old ordinance definition and amend it. That is what Diann has been enforcing and that is what every Director before has been enforcing. I think it is in our mind enough.

President Charles Anderson asked, so we have to advertise this?

Attorney Altman stated, yes, it will be real simple to do.

Jay Clawson asked, is it clear enough that it won’t get picked apart?

Attorney Altman stated, yes, I think so.

Director Weaver stated, front yard – an open space extending the full width of the lot between the building and the front lot line unoccupied and unobstructed from the ground upward, except here and after specified. A corner lot shall have two front yards.

Dennis Sterrett stated, the setback is for the site distance anyway.

Director Weaver stated, right.

Attorney Altman stated, this is why it made sense before Denny.

Director Weaver stated, that is what I think too.

Attorney Altman stated, I would recommend in the interest of consistency.

David Rosenbarger stated, that is a good one, but I suspect the Williamson, I mean the argument is which of those is the front.

Director Weaver stated, see that is what I considered that each street is a front.

Attorney Altman stated, quite frankly he has three.

Director Weaver stated, he has three.

David Rosenbarger stated, that doesn’t cover that. They could come back and say the highway isn’t a front.

Attorney Altman stated, he has a corner lot and he has three.

David Rosenbarger stated, I agree with you.

Attorney Altman stated, I the old ordinance yes, but with the new amendment it will.

Don Ward stated, whichever one is a main street is a front.

David Rosenbarger asked, how do you determine the main street?

Don Ward stated, we can define the main street with the most traffic or if it is a State Highway, or the widest right-of-way.

Attorney Altman stated, that might be what you want to do in the new ordinance, but I would say in the interim, I would keep it simple.

President Charles Anderson asked, so do you want to vote on this or.

Director Weaver stated, do you want us to draft something and bring it back to the next meeting.

Next I have the, and I mentioned this last month about the subdivision ordinance that we got a letter from Don Tribbett to Ron Schmierer stating that we might considered doing an exemption in our subdivision ordinance for utility purposes. When a utility has to buy property that they don’t have to go through the subdivision ordinance. We talked about it last month, but we didn’t discuss if we wanted to pursue this or if we wanted to wait until the next ordinance.

Dennis Sterrett stated, I think that is fine, unless he is going to build a building on it.

Director Weaver stated, he has provided us a copy from Cass County Subdivision Control ordinance. It says exemptions from the Subdivision, any land being divided or acquired by a public agency or utility for a street, or utility right-of-way or easement other than those required for a subdivision as defined in this ordinance.

Attorney Altman stated, I agree, I don’t think it exempts it.

President Charles Anderson stated, it doesn’t exempt a building.

Attorney Altman stated, no, I don’t think so at all. The truth is I’m not sure it should be.

Director Weaver stated, the ones we have been doing have not been for utilities it has been for buildings.

Attorney Altman stated, that is what I’m saying, I’m not sure it should be exempt. The thing in Chalmers there, they could say that is a utility and exempt and you guys and your landlady would have been handicapped quite a bit. It is just my thought.

President Charles Anderson asked, who is all in favor of leaving it the way it is? Raise your right hand. Then we will leave it alone.

Director Weaver stated, next and I don’t know that I have given you a copy of this. George Loy submitted a letter to us, Jerry you got one of these, stating that we should, a violation of the ordinance can also be considered a nuisance violation. The best I remember from reading this letter that way it opens it up so more people can enforce the ordinance. Do you remember this Jerry?

Attorney Altman stated, yes, and again I think we are attempting, I don’t mind help and I’m very happy to have suggestions, but I think Monticello.

President Charles Anderson asked, who else is he wanting to enforce it?

David Rosenbarger stated, the towns, the county.

Several talking at once.

Director Weaver stated, I know Brookston has had some problems, but not with the ordinance.

David Rosenbarger stated, some of it is with the ordinance.

Director Weaver stated, I know that one problem is that one building is the use and I can’t get into the building to look at the building and see what the use is inside. The building inspector is saying the use is different then what the Town is saying the use is. I mean where do you go from there.

Several talking at once.

Attorney Altman asked, your Town Marshal cannot get in there?

David Rosenbarger stated, yes he can.

Attorney Altman stated, I would sure be willing to enlist his help and proceed. I suggest that we do that and enforce it that way.

President Charles Anderson asked, why won’t they let you in?

Director Weaver stated, I don’t have the right to go inside a building. That is why I use Dave a lot if there is something going on inside the building. I use him to get inside the building.

President Charles Anderson stated, once Dave has stated to us, do we have the right to send someone in there don’t we or not.

Attorney Altman stated, I don’t think we do have, but I think that the Town Marshal can certainly look at it. I don’t know he has.

David Rosenbarger stated, all it amounts to is you’ve got a business and someone moves into it how can you enforce it if you can’t go in other than hear say that people are living there. What is the beef in the ordinance. The ordinance states that you can’t do it, how do we know if they are doing it.

Several talking at once.

Attorney Altman stated, we often have citizens tell us that. They are around close enough and observe and they make their or draw their conclusions and we go to court based on that. We have had like on this Reynolds thing, we have had a deputy will go out for us and essentially find out what is going on there.

Director Weaver stated, well one time we actually took a statement. We recorded a statement from a neighbor to use in court and didn’t end up using it, but we.

Attorney Altman stated, we will do all of those things if you’ve got some people close enough and watching it close enough. As far as I’m concerned that is good evidence.

Director Weaver stated, in that situation you do.

Attorney Altman stated, if you get them in to see me and Diann and I will proceed in court. This is based upon good evidence that you have Dave.

President Charles Anderson asked, so who is all in favor of leaving this the way it is or going after a nuisance violation. Who is in favor of the way it is. Leave it along for now.

Attorney Altman stated, I agree and this would be good for the new ordinance.

Jay Clawson stated, well I think a lot of the reason why they are asking for this, is if there is someone who puts a sign up a violation of the ordinance, they can go and have it removed until it is properly permitted and instead of waiting for months and months of litigation. I don’t think it is like they are wanting to take anything away from Area Plan about making the decisions for us.

President Charles Anderson stated, so you would be in favor of the new ordinance putting something like that.

Jay Clawson stated, I would like to see how it is worded. I don’t want to go changing it now if we are changing our ordinance soon. If they are not planning on doing something for 5 years maybe it would be worth looking into.

Director Weaver stated, I haven’t heard anything new from the Commissioners.

Jay Clawson stated, Diann pointed out that the one guy worked for the Company that did our last book.

Director Weaver stated, he was the owner.

Gary Barbour stated, he was the owner and he was.

Attorney Altman stated, I have two things that Judge Mrzlack sent. Did we give everyone copies? What I do believe it shows that Judge Mrzlack treated the ordinance seriously and imposed a fine and said remove it. I think that is pretty important. The next thing I have is as I said this is on the Freeman Subdivision. We got an answer back today from the people who actually own, bought Freeman's interest in the subdivision out. As you can see, they said that they are there and they don’t mind the subdivision being vacated. It surprised me and I will get those copies to everyone else. Diann kindly got out a plat and this is the plat of the subdivision. This lot here is the lot that is sold. They are coming in this way and into the lot. These folks said okay to vacate the subdivision. We would say okay except for this lot at least this far. This is to protect these people here.

President Charles Anderson stated, we would have to dedicate that road to that lot or.

Attorney Altman stated, and the public. Then we would eliminate a problem and wouldn’t have $1500 in legal fees in continuing this and be done.

President Charles Anderson asked, what do we do with Freeman, do we fine him?

Attorney Altman stated, that is up to you guys to decide. It looks like it protects the couple that bought a home in there and gets rid of a problem without a lot of litigation expense.

Don Ward stated, so the subdivision reverts back to farmland.

Attorney Altman stated, reverts back to meets and bounds.

Several talking at once.

President Charles Anderson asked, all in favor of letting go ahead the way it is, raise your hands.

Attorney Altman stated, I appreciate having an idea. Also we’ve got and this is the other enforcement action that we have in court, this is a garage that the guy had a violation on that you turn him down on and he went ahead a violated it some more. We have him in court. I have set it for pre-trial and the judge has given me time to have pre-trial hearing.

David Rosenbarger stated, didn’t they want to settle it before it went to court or did they drop to on that.

Attorney Altman stated, yes, so far I haven’t heard back on that Dave. That is all. I really was pleased, I would have liked for of a fine from Judge Mrzlack and told them to comply or remove and we have a $500 fine. I think we were doing pretty good.

David Rosenbarger asked, did Williamson come in and apply for his setback variance?

Director Weaver stated, I haven’t heard a thing.

David Rosenbarger stated, well first of December what do you do then?

Attorney Altman stated, you will have a petition in Court to Judge Mrzlack with pictures and affidavit.

Director Weaver stated, there is no activity down there either, is there? I didn’t see any.

Attorney Altman stated, that is all I have. It is a very sharp poke in the eye Dave.

David Rosenbarger stated, it is a step in the right direction.

Attorney Altman stated, yes.

Director Weaver stated, we also received a judgement on a back check.

Attorney Altman stated, oh yes I forgot about that. Did you run copies of that?

Director Weaver stated, no, I didn’t even think about it.

Attorney Altman stated, yes John Provo we got a judgement on that and we are proceeding with that.

Director Weaver stated, the check was originally for $500.

Attorney Altman stated, we will get you a copy of that. This was a BZA matter instead of an APC matter. That is it.

President Charles Anderson asked, is there anything else?

Director Weaver stated, no.

Jay Clawson stated, well I brought up something before the meeting, a fella, I just want to know what to tell him. It is Indiana Waste Systems, there are two or three lots that are zoned I-2 on the corner of Hanawalt and Rangeline, 300 E. He was storing some old garbage trucks that he has across the street 8 acres or so that are zoned A-1. He has some dumpsters that have no trash in them and some old that are not being used at this time. He is out of compliance and was fined by Diann and wants to know if it is the boards wishes that we expand an area of I-2 or keep it as an A-1 and give them like a comment to be able to store that, if you want to expand the area by I-2 in that area with other places there.

Director Weaver stated, do we have to give him an answer, he has appealed that fine. He will be here next month.

Jay Clawson stated, he is not, he wants to get it in compliance one way or another. Don’t shake your head at me Diann.

Director Weaver stated, I’m not shaking my head at you.

Jay Clawson stated, that is what you are doing you are turning your head to what happen. That is what a lot of people when they come to your office and they want a straight answer from you and I think that is what they get a lot of the times.

Director Weaver stated, no, I was not shaking it at you Jay.

Jay Clawson stated, because well I know.

Director Weaver stated, I find it hard to believe because I stopped there today and it is worse than it was before. That is where I’m coming from.

Jay Clawson stated, I understand when like, when you fine someone a $500 fine they ought to be notified before that they are out of compliance.

Director Weaver stated, that is not the way our policy is worded.

Jay Clawson stated, well, he is willing.

Director Weaver stated, that is not the way it is worded Jay. That is why we have the appeal process in place now. That is not the way it is worded.

Jay Clawson stated, that is fine, but he wants to if it is our wishes that it be what ever we want for him to get a commitment to be able to store stuff that he is not using there. He is not wanting to expand the business to run stuff in and out of there everyday. It is stuff that is in the way that he wants a storage yard to put stuff out of the way.

Director Weaver stated, okay this might answer your questions. In our uses it says out door storage and it goes in an I-2 with a special exception or an I-1.

David Rosenbarger asked, what did we do in Reynolds?

Jay Clawson stated, that answers the questions and I will tell he needs to proceed with.

Director Weaver stated, and I think we told him that.

David Rosenbarger stated, Diann what did we do in Reynolds it is the same thing. By the elevators somebody storing empty garage stuff.

Jay Clawson stated, Pat Leonard.

David Rosenbarger asked, what did we do there?

Director Weaver stated, he came back in and rezoned and went through the special exception for a waste facility.

David Rosenbarger stated, that is what we did.

Director Weaver stated, yes, but I understand what Jay is saying, he is using it for storage only and see I don’t know that is what Leonard’s were doing. They were actually conducting their business on that site.

Attorney Altman stated, Leonard’s were.

David Rosenbarger stated, there were special terms set.

Several talking at once.

David Rosenbarger stated, I think the big thing with this guy is to come in, it is out in the country but it isn’t.

Jay Clawson stated, it is. It is in the Country, 300 E.

David Rosenbarger stated, I know exactly where it is, but there are still houses not to far away.

Jay Clawson stated, he is tearing down the one house on the lot that is on the lot.

Director Weaver stated, but that is not zoned for that use either and they have been told that they can not use that lot for this.

Jay Clawson stated, I understand that, but that is a residence.

Director Weaver stated, it is zoned Agriculture.

President Charles Anderson stated, let's all calm down a little bit.

David Rosenbarger stated, that is just one of those things, he needs to come to a meeting and.

Jay Clawson stated, well he wants to file his petition and if we think it needs to be I-2 he wants to come in to Diann and make sure.

President Charles Anderson stated, there is not way too.

Director Weaver stated, let me add to it.

President Charles Anderson stated, let me talk. There is no way we can do it. He would have to go through.

Jay Clawson stated, that is the only clarification.

Director Weaver stated, we made a copy of this schedule of uses and he never picked it up and that would have answered his questions.

Jay Clawson stated, okay.

President Charles Anderson asked, is there any more questions?

Charles Mellon stated, I would like to bring up something. There has been a lot of jazz around the county about this swimming pool being dug out here in a subdivision out by Pike Creek.

Director Weaver asked, is it a pool?

Charles Mellon stated, there is water in it.

Director Weaver stated, I thought we determined it was a pond.

Charles Mellon stated, a pond well yes.

Jay Clawson stated, it is a pond.

Director Weaver stated, we don’t regulate ponds Charlie.

Charles Mellon stated, okay I drive for the girl that lives across the street and she has a two or three year old kid and has one that is walking. The East bank of that everybody says he is going to put a thing around it. He did along the highway, but that is not going to keep the kids out of it. The East Side is just flat, kids could walk right down into it.

Director Weaver asked, is there a house there beside it?

Charles Mellon stated, yes.

Director Weaver stated, I haven’t seen it.

Charles Mellon stated, it is that guy at the house.

President Charles Anderson asked, how close is it to the pond?

Charles Mellon stated, well it is closer to the road, it is over 10 to 15’ from the road.

President Charles Anderson asked, how many residences are around this?

Director Weaver stated, that is for a structure, we do not regulate ponds.

David Rosenbarger stated, it is in the ground, it is just like concrete work.

Charles Mellon stated, well it should be, to dig that in a subdivision.

Director Weaver stated, we don’t regulate those.

Several talking at once.

President Charles Anderson stated, if we start regulating that then we will have to regulate every little thing.

Jay Clawson stated, I know that some places like that had ponds in subdivisions that were for water retention. If the pond held more than 3’ of water then they had to put some kind of barrier to keep other.

David Rosenbarger stated, that was part of the subdivision plans.

Jay Clawson stated, and it was part of their draining ordinance.

David Rosenbarger stated, that was not for a private pond. You could control it if it is part of the drainage plan.

President Charles Anderson stated, I think they have a legal problem.

David Rosenbarger stated, it is just a liability.

Jay Clawson stated, yes, with the Insurance Company.

Director Weaver stated, what we do when someone comes in about a pond we send them to out the Soil and Water Conservation. Charlie did you go and talk to them? Do they have any regulations?

Charles Mellon stated, yes I went out there to talk to them and they said the same thing you did.

Director Weaver stated, what that they don’t regulate them.

Charles Mellon stated, no, but the guy did come and talk to them before he started digging. Then this guy going with the watch to clean up the Tippecanoe River from way up North clear down here. He went to school with I can’t think of his name now and he went out and talked to the guy and he was the one who told him to put the dirt around it. If you go pass it you can see all of that digging out of the bottom is on the lot South. No one seems to know what he is going to do there. It is real low. The people in the subdivision West, in the woods, that is draining through the pond. Those people are worried about mosquitoes too. My notion the Commissioners, Ron Schmierer was going out there.

Several talking at once.

Don Ward stated, the problem with ponds is, the size should be at least a 4 to 1 slope and they make them steep and deep at the edges. Kids fall in and can’t get out. Where as if you had a real flat slope going in kids would get in the water but they wouldn’t get hurt. Most of them that are dug are that way. They are dangerous for kids. A lot of them they slowing slope off and become vertical.

Charles Mellon stated, the slope of that one out there is not very good. I told people I would mention it and I have done my duty.

President Charles Anderson stated, there isn’t anything we can do.

Charles Mellon stated, okay, I will jump on the Commissioners.

President Charles Anderson stated, I don’t even think the Commissioners can do anything about it.

Jay Clawson stated, I sure it will be a swimming pool for some one and when the insurance comes out I’m sure he will say you need to fence it out.

Several talking at once.

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The meeting adjourned.

Respectfully submitted,

Don Ward, Secretary

White County Area Plan Commission

Diann Weaver, Director

White County Area Plan Commission