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The White County Board of Zoning Appeals met on Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 7:30 p.m. in the Commissioners’ Meeting Room, Second Floor, County Building, Monticello, Indiana.

Members attending were Gary Barbour, David Scott, Carol Stradling, Jerry Thompson and David Stimmel. Also attending were Attorney Jerry Altman and Director Diann Weaver.

Visitors attending were: Kay Jennings, Maurine B. Wilson, Marvin D. Gwin, Alberta J. Gwin, Russell W. Miller, Keith A. Hill, Russell W. Miller Sr., Michael Triplett, Bonita Triplett, Don Fulk, Cindy Fulk, Jerry MacOwan, Larry Dunn, Larry Marshall, Don Pauken, Bill Pyle, Robert Vories, John Ohman, Lori Ohman, Brad Smock, Charles Tribbett, Cindy Beck, Lowell Jarvis, Shawn Pherson, and Sharon Pherson.

The meeting was called to order by President Jerry Thompson and roll call was taken. Carol Stradling made a motion to dispense with reading and approve the minutes of the October 27, November 22, and December 15, 2005 meeting. Motion was seconded by Gary Barbour and carried unanimously. Attorney Altman swore in all Board members and audience members.

President Jerry Thompson stated, first on the agenda is the re-organization and I will turn this over to our Attorney.

Attorney Altman stated, the chair is now open for nominations for President.

President Jerry Thompson stated, I move Dave Stimmel.

Carol Stradling stated, I will second that.

Gary Barbour stated, motion to close.

Attorney Altman stated, there has been a motion and a second any discussion. Call for the question.

President Jerry Thompson stated, all in favor. Motion was carried Dave Stimmel is now the President.

President David Stimmel stated, next is the vice president. The floor is open for nominations for Vice President.

Jerry Thompson stated, I move Dave Scott.

David Scott stated, I decline.



Carol Stradling stated, you can’t decline.


David Scott asked, Carol are you Vice President?

Carol Stradling stated, yes.

Jerry Thompson asked, do you want to remain Vice President?

Carol Stradling asked, you really don’t want to do it?

David Scott stated, no I do not want to do it.

President David Stimmel asked, do we have another nomination?

David Scott stated, I nominate Carol.

Gary Barbour stated, second.

Gary Barbour stated, I make a motion that nominations be closed.

President David Stimmel stated, second.

Jerry Thompson stated, second.

President David Stimmel stated, all in favor signify by saying “aye”. Motion carried.

Floor is open for secretary.

David Scott stated, I nominate Gary.

Jerry Thompson stated, second.

Carol Stradling stated, I move nominations be closed.

President David Stimmel stated, second. Gary is the secretary again this year. Does that take care of the nominations?

Attorney Altman stated, yes it does, but you ought to include on the record that I serve as the attorney for the APC and I think it ought to be noted that is my position. APC is who I submit the claims to.

President David Stimmel stated, it is noted on the record that Jerry Altman is the attorney for the BZA for the 2006 year.

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#2487 Larry L. & Constance L. Dunn; The property is located on Lot 13 in Troegers Shore Acres, located West of East Shafer Drive at 3456 N. Shore Acres Court.

Violation: None

Request: They are requesting a 4’ rear setback variance and a 2’ south side setback variance to build an addition and to bring the existing detached garage into compliance.

President David Stimmel asked, is there anyone here representing the Dunn’s? Please step forwards please.

Larry Dunn stated, I’m Larry Dunn and I’m the homeowner.

President David Stimmel stated, okay do you have anything else to add.

Larry Dunn stated, no, we just want to add a third bay to a two-car garage for additional storage.

President David Stimmel stated, if you would just hang loose in case there are some questions.

Do we have any fan mail on this?

Director Weaver stated, no.

President David Stimmel stated, Jerry any questions?

Attorney Altman stated, the requested addition is addition to the garage. Will it be similar in construction and appearance as the present garage?

Larry Dunn stated, yes, we will turn the roofline the other way, but it will be a good-looking 3-car garage.

Attorney Altman asked, single story?

Larry Dunn stated, yes. There will be some storage up above, but no room. Same height?

President David Stimmel asked, Jerry Thompson?

Jerry Thompson asked, local contractor?

Larry Dunn stated, yes, he has a home on Lake Shafer. Dave Shepler he has done a lot of work around here.

President David Stimmel asked, Dave Scott?

David Scott stated, no.

President David Stimmel asked, Gary Barbour?

Gary Barbour stated, no.

President David Stimmel asked, Carol?

Carol Stradling stated, so you addition will be on the side away from the roadway?

Larry Dunn stated, yes.

Carol Stradling stated, are you familiar with the survey?

Larry Dunn stated, yes.

Carol Stradling stated, I’m a little bit confused with the dotted line. That part is concrete and that pertains to here. You do not have the garage on the roadway?

Larry Dunn stated, no the garage sets right here.

Carol Stradling stated, so there is 2’ between your garage and the roadway.

Larry Dunn stated, yes.

Carol Stradling stated, okay, thank you.

President David Stimmel stated, Dave you have a question.

David Scott asked, when was the original garage built?

Larry Dunn stated, 1940 or whenever the house was built.

David Scott stated, oh you just put siding on it.

Larry Dunn stated, yes, we just put siding on it and fixed it up a little.

David Scott stated, they are real close to the neighbor’s garage there.

Larry Dunn stated, yes whenever the house was built I suppose I don’t know.

Director Weaver stated, according to the assessor’s record they show it was built in 1946, the home and the garage both.

President David Stimmel asked, anything else Dave?

David Scott stated, no.

President David Stimmel asked, does anyone else have anything to say about the variance itself?

Is the board ready to vote?

Attorney Altman stated, you understand because it is so close to the neighbor that it has to have a fireproof wall there, the building inspector will require that.

Larry Dunn stated, our contractor has worked considerably in the White County area.

Without further discussion the board voted.

The Board finds the following:

1. That the property is properly zoned L-1, Lake District


2. That the lot was an existing lot of record at the time of enactment of the ordinance, as defined in Section 2.114.


3. That the site plan survey provided shows the lot size, existing improvements and proposed improvements, see file for exhibit.


4. That no objectors were present at the meeting.


5. That proper notice was given by mail to adjoining property owners.


6. That the request is for 4’ rear setback variance and a 2’ south side setback variance to build an addition and to bring the existing detached garage into compliance on Lot 13 in Troegers Shore Acres in Liberty Township, White County, Indiana.

COMMON DESCRIPTION: The property is located West of East Shafer Drive at 3456 N. Shore Acres Court.


7. That the variances herein authorized and granted are not so typical or recurrent in nature as to make reasonable practicable the formulation of a general regulation under an amendment of the ordinance for the above said specific piece of property, and the Board additionally finds that the above said variances are based on the findings of fact so made that are required to be made under the provisions of Section 10.10 of the White County Zoning Ordinance, said findings of fact support and create a fact situation that authorizes the above said variances under the above said sections of the zoning ordinance.


The variance was granted based on the findings of fact by a vote of 5 affirmative and 0 negative.


Attorney Altman stated, you need to get a building permit before you proceed.


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#2488 Michael E. & Bonita M. Triplett; The property is located on S/E E Frax NW 5-27-3 on .39 of an acre, located South of Lowe’s Bridge at 4866 N. Boxman Place

Violation: None

Request: They are requesting to revise Variance #2422 for a 10’ rear setback variance to include a roof and glass enclosure over a boat house and a roof over a deck and patio.

President David Stimmel asked, and you are sir?

Michael Triplett stated, I’m Michael Triplett.

President David Stimmel asked, do you have anything to add?

Michael Triplett stated, we have already received approval from the SFLECC to do this.

Director Weaver stated, the board has a copy of that letter from SFLECC.

Attorney Altman stated, (proceeded to read the letter from SFLECC see file for letter)

Director Weaver stated, I have also sent a copy of the May 19 minutes of the BZA when he was at the meeting then and also a copy of the building permit that has been issued for the property.

Attorney Altman stated, there is a map if you will of the home that they are building that has corresponding numbers similar to the 2, 3 and 4 that were addressed it he letter. I trust the board and anyone else that wants to see it sees that as part of Mr. Roach’s letter.

President David Stimmel asked, Carol?

Carol Stradling stated, I’m still trying to make my way through all of the additions and decks and where they are and what they are.

Director Weaver stated, I did receive a call in the office from the neighbor concerned about blocking her view, she has some property up there and she was concerned about that.

Michael Triplett stated, I talked to her also Joan Tkacz and when she called she was giving her concern about that and I explained to her what we are trying to do is instead of putting up a wooden wing wall around the boat house which was there previously, we are trying to put in glass windows which would allow them to see through. This would actually help the view.

President David Stimmel stated, you are not going any higher.

Michael Triplett stated, no that was one of the restrictions same foot print and no higher than the old roof.

President David Stimmel asked, Gary?

Gary Barbour stated, no.

President David Stimmel asked, Dave?

David Scott stated, I’m sorry what did you say your name was?

Mike Triplett stated, Mike Triplett.

David Scott stated, okay I didn’t catch that.

President David Stimmel asked, Jerry Thompson?

Jerry Thompson stated, this lady that you spoke of Diann she is in relationship to the property where again.

Director Weaver stated, when you look at the survey she is to the right of the boathouse.

Attorney Altman stated, it looks like the structure would be 7’ off of the line on the survey that Mr. Milligan.

Director Weaver stated, also if you look at your pictures, that is the view from her house on the middle row on the right had side of the first page.

Carol Stradling, Mr. Triplett would you care to explain? You probably haven’t seen these pictures because these are the pictures that Diann has taken. Could you help explain these to me, please? This is a 3-story deck, 2-story deck?

Mike Triplett stated, it is third and second floor.

Carol Stradling asked, and where is?

Mike Triplett stated, right here, this is actually looking West.

Attorney Altman stated, for the record what picture are you looking at?

Mike Triplett stated, lower left-hand corner that is looking West.

Carol Stradling stated, so the proposed roof and glass enclosure is going to be this one?

Mike Triplett stated, yes.

Carol and Mike Triplett are going over the pictures.

Carol Stradling asked, this is actually, you are doing this glass enclosure and you are doing this proposed roof over the deck and this proposed roof over the deck at this time?

Mike Triplett stated, what we are doing now is this. This is our existing house we are taking the roof off and putting in a new roofline to make it look better and fit in with the new constructions. This will probably be done in three months.

Director Weaver stated, you might want to show her on the pictures what part you have on your house.

Mike Triplett asked, what?

Director Weaver stated, the pictures I took, you might want to show them what is your house that might help her.

Mike is showing Carol the pictures what each thing is.

Carol Stradling asked, does everyone else understand this?

David Scott stated, no. Is this the existing house here?

Mike Triplett stated, yes.

They are going over the pictures again.

President David Stimmel asked, anymore questions Carol?

Carol Stradling stated, no I think I’m good.

President David Stimmel asked, Gary?

Gary Barbour stated, no.

President David Stimmel asked, Dave?

David Scott stated, no.

President David Stimmel asked, Jerry Thompson?

Jerry Thompson stated, no.

President David Stimmel stated, we are ready to vote. I’m sorry is there anyone it he audience that needs to speak?

Without further discussion the board voted.

The Board finds the following:

1. That the building site is currently zoned B-2, General Business.


2. That the lot was an existing lot of record at the time of enactment of the ordinance, as defined in Section 2.114.


3. That the site plan survey provided shows the lot size, existing improvements and proposed improvements, see file for exhibit.


4. That no objectors were present at the meeting.


5. That proper notice was given by mail to adjoining property owners.


6. That the request is for revise Variance #2422 for a 10’ rear setback variance to include a roof and glass enclosure over a boat house and a roof over a deck and patio on that part of the North Fractional Half of the Northwest Fractional Quarter of Section 5, Township 27 North, Range 3 West in Liberty Township, White County, Indiana, described by: Commencing at the Northeast corner of the Northwest Factional Quarter of the above said Section 5; thence West 1354 feet; thence South 196 feet; thence West 20 feet; thence South 01 Degrees 15 Minutes East 465 feet to the point of beginning; thence West 105.93 feet; thence South 06 Degrees 20 Minutes West 35.22 feet; thence West 53.82 feet; thence South 00 Degrees 24 Minutes West 60.00 feet; thence South 89 Degrees 22 Minutes West 30.09 feet to the Northern Indiana Public Service Company line; thence along said line South 35 Degrees 00 Minutes East 116.35 feet and North 84 degrees 40 minutes East 41.27 feet; thence North 00 Degrees 16 Minutes West 86.28 feet; thence North 85 Degrees 14 Minutes East 25.39 feet; thence North 00 Degrees 32 Minutes East 63.44 feet; thence East 62.50 feet; thence North 01 Degrees 15 Minutes West 35.00 feet to the point of beginning, containing 0.39 of an acre, more or less.

COMMON DESCRIPTION: The property is located South of Lowe’s Bridge at 4866 N. Boxman Place.


7. That the variances herein authorized and granted are not so typical or recurrent in nature as to make reasonable practicable the formulation of a general regulation under an amendment of the ordinance for the above said specific piece of property, and the Board additionally finds that the above said variances are based on the findings of fact so made that are required to be made under the provisions of Section 10.10 of the White County Zoning Ordinance, said findings of fact support and create a fact situation that authorizes the above said variances under the above said sections of the zoning ordinance.


The variance was granted based on the findings of fact by a vote of 5 affirmative and 0 negative.


Attorney Altman stated, you need to get your building permit before you proceed.

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#2489 Cynthia Fulk, Donald Fulk & Matthew Fulk; The property is located on Out W NE 32-38-3 on .091 of an acre (Known as Lot 3), located North of Lowe’s Bridge at 5853 N. Lake Road 52 W.

Violation: None


Request: They are requesting a 27’ front setback variance, a 6’ east side setback variance, and a 6’ west side setback variance to build a new home. This will replace Variance #2473.

President David Stimmel asked, and you are?

Cindy Fulk stated, I’m Cindy Fulk.

President David Stimmel asked, do you have anything? Oh I’m sorry go ahead.

Director Weaver stated, I did send a copy of the previous staff report and the minutes from the previous meeting.

Attorney Altman stated, Diann would you briefly summarize this request.

Director Weaver stated, I believe it is the front is where the difference is, yes, the front setback. They are wanting to go closer than originally proposed. I believe at the time we were working on the application we discovered that the original request did not include the overhangs for the sides and we had to measure that for 1’.

President David Stimmel stated, so what then, so the variance request is amended to the lakeshore side.

Director Weaver stated, to the waterside.

President David Stimmel asked, do you have anything else to add to what we read?

Cindy Fulk stated, no. Just like I said after we had, after the last variance meeting my husband and I discussed it and the more we thought about it our view is really going to be blocked on both sides of the lake and we just figured we would try to come up a little bit closer if possible.

President David Stimmel stated, okay. Jerry Thompson?

Jerry Thompson stated, I guess I have the same question. Do you have a local contractor and you are going to wonder why?

Cindy Fulk stated, we are doing a modular.

Jerry Thompson stated, oh you are doing a modular, okay I didn’t realize that.

President David Stimmel asked, Dave Scott?

David Scott stated, by looking at it looks like 4’ does that do anything to the neighbor’s view. Are any of them here? Do they object to this?

Cindy Fulk stated, no, not that I know of. Actually the variance we are asking for now, the houses are just about all even, so.

President David Stimmel stated, is this your neighbor?

Don Fulk stated, I’m Don Fulk. I’m just saying that this house where we want to put it is right where it is now and everybody is in line just about right there anyway. It is where the old structure is now.

Attorney Altman asked, have you seen the photographs Mr. & Mrs. Fulk that our Director? Identify the improvement on this or in the photographs?

They are going over the photos. Looking at the bottom right hand side.

Attorney Altman stated, so you are saying you are going to put a home basically closer to the lake than what this home is right now that is your request even those it is coming 4’ further in this amended change request. It will still be no closer than your present home?

Don Fulk stated, right.

President David Stimmel asked, Dave Scott?

David Scott stated, well this is another one of those that is 3’ off the property line, but I don’t think they have any options so I guess there is no sense in talking about it. Just for the record we have been trying to keep people back off of the property lines. I don’t see any.

President David Stimmel stated, it is on the same foot print that is the only thing.

David Scott stated, that is all I have.

President David Stimmel asked, Gary?

Gary Barbour stated, I don’t have anything.

President David Stimmel asked, Carol?

Carol Stradling stated, have you compared your two surveys, we looked at a survey in November.

Cindy Fulk stated, yes, I have them with me.

Don Fulk stated, I will explain to you what happened. I didn’t look at the first survey. Originally I thought the property line was farther towards the lake. So when I looked at that well then after the variance, she came by herself. Then it went through and I looked at that and said that is not right then after I seen where they staked it out. 18’ would put his half way back in between everyone else’s houses there. That is what I’m trying to say we don’t want to be half way back in between everyone else’s houses.

Carol Stradling stated, okay. So this home is not in place yet?

Cindy Fulk stated, no.

Carol Stradling stated, and it has been staked out.

Don Fulk stated, yes.

Carol Stradling stated, as I look and actually both surveys have the same date. It is just a proposed house I guess it is actually changing. What I’m struggling with is that the survey that was submitted with the house proposed in November indicates that the northern, the North East corner is 5’ off of the property line and the Northwest corner is also 3’ off of the property line. What I’m struggling with is that you have moved the home forward 14’, it is a wedge shaped lot and that distance has not changed.

Don Fulk stated, I noticed that my self, but it would be if we moved forward, it would be greater.

Carol Stradling stated, yes it would.

Don Fulk stated, I noticed that to, but I didn’t draw that.

Cindy Fulk stated, I think Mr. Milligan probably just used the same survey that he originally had and just did the overlay and didn’t change the space between.

Carol Stradling stated, the space between.

Cindy Fulk stated, because there will be a greater space between the houses then.

President David Stimmel stated, Carol the 5’ will actually stay the same because it is parallel.

Don Fulk stated, yes.

President David Stimmel stated, okay.

Carol Stradling stated, okay.

President David Stimmel stated, the only thing that will change will be the other side, which technically should be greater.

Carol Stradling stated, technically, but if this has not been staked out I guess I would recommend that those distances be verified before the house is positioned. There is something that is not, it needs to be at least 3’.

Cindy Fulk stated, right, like I said with it up closer the distance should be greater.

Carol Stradling stated, should be greater, and moving that closer does not put it any closer than the lake then any of the homes on either side does it.

Cindy Fulk stated, no, actually it is back a little bit farther than either house.

Carol Stradling asked, can you tell me the distance between the proposed front of your home and the water?

Don Fulk stated, this is just a guess, I’m saying 20’ to 25’.

Carol Stradling stated. so if it is 4’ to the edge of your property there is an additional 21’ some feet beyond that to the water.

Don Fulk stated, yes about 20’.

Cindy Fulk stated, we are not lake level either, we are up above, we have to walk down to it.

Carol Stradling stated, that is all the questions I have.

President David Stimmel asked, do we want to make a note about the survey?

Attorney Altman stated, absolutely that would be appropriate.

President David Stimmel asked, do we have any questions from any one in the audience about this variance? Any more questions from the board.

Attorney Altman asked, how much of an overhang will your home have?

Cindy Fulk stated, about a 1’.

Don Fulk stated, I thought that was included in the drawing.

Attorney Altman stated, he survey it says the dimensions do not include the overhang.

Director Weaver stated, when we did the request we allowed for 1’ overhang.

Attorney Altman stated, 1’ overhang.

Director Weaver stated, it was his, the person who is filing the home from originally filed the application.

Attorney Altman stated, so the 1’ is included or extends beyond.

Director Weaver stated, no, it extends beyond what the drawing shows, but it is included in the request.

Attorney Altman stated, it is only 1’.

Director Weaver stated, we allowed 1’ on all sides.

Attorney Altman asked, are you on the sewer system?

Don Fulk stated, yes, it there and we want to hook up as soon as the home is there.

Cindy Fulk stated, we have a permit.

Don Fulk stated, we have the permit.

Attorney Altman asked, single story?

Cindy Fulk stated, yes.

President David Stimmel asked, Dave or Jerry anything else?

Without further discussion the board voted.

The Board finds the following:

1. That the property is properly zoned L-1, Lake District


2. That the lot was an existing lot of record at the time of enactment of the ordinance, as defined in Section 2.114.


3. That the site plan survey provided shows the lot size, existing improvements and proposed improvements, see file for exhibit.


4. That no objectors were present at the meeting.


5. That proper notice was given by mail to adjoining property owners.


6. That the request is for a 27’ front setback variance, a 6’ east side setback variance, and a 6’ west side setback variance to build a new home. This will replace Variance #2473 on a tract of land in the North Half of the Northeast Quarter of Section 32, Township 28 North, Range 3 West, Monon Township, White County, Indiana, described as follows to wit:

Beginning Seven Hundred Ninety-nine (799) feet West; thence South Two (2) degrees East Seven Hundred Fifty-Seven (757) feet and thence North Fifty-Two (52) degrees East ten (10) feet of the Northeast corner of Section (32), Township 28 North, Range 3 West in Monon Township, White County, Indiana. This point being the Northwest corner of Lot No 3 in Tucker’s Camp, Thence South Thirty (30) degrees East One Hundred Fourteen (114) feet to the Northern Indiana Electric Power Company Line: Thence North Fifty-Three (53) degrees East Forty (40) feet following the Northern Indiana Electric Power Company Line; thence North Thirty-five (35) degrees West One Hundred Fifteen (115) feet; thence South Fifty-Two (52) degrees West Thirty (30) feet to the point of beginning. Containing .091 acres, more or less, known as Lot No. 3.

COMMON DESCRIPTION: The property is located North of Lowe’s Bridge at 5853 N. Lake Road 52 W.


7. That the variances herein authorized and granted are not so typical or recurrent in nature as to make reasonable practicable the formulation of a general regulation under an amendment of the ordinance for the above said specific piece of property, and the Board additionally finds that the above said variances are based on the findings of fact so made that are required to be made under the provisions of Section 10.10 of the White County Zoning Ordinance, said findings of fact support and create a fact situation that authorizes the above said variances under the above said sections of the zoning ordinance.


The variance was granted based on the findings of fact by a vote of 5 affirmative and 0 negative.


Attorney Altman stated, you need to get your building permit before you proceed.

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#2490 Bruce William & Carolyn Lee Vogel, Owner and Brad Smock, Applicant; The property is located on Part SE NW 14-27-3 on 33.123 acres located Northeast of Monticello, on the North Side of C.R. 250 N and on the West side of C.R. 750 E.

Violation: None

Request: They are requesting a 338’ (maximum) separation variance from a Hog Confinement Building to the nearest dwellings not located on the same tract.

President David Stimmel asked, Brad are you here representing?

Brad Smock stated, yes.

President David Stimmel stated, do you want to stand up and state your name please.

Brad Smock stated, Brad Smock. I’ve got a purchase agreement from Bruce to buy this land if we can get the variances to build the hog barn. I can tell by the looks of the audience I’m out numbered here. I guess part of, I guess building the hog barn. I know there is going to be questions about the manure and I’ve got answers about all of that and I’ve got answers for all of that. There are going to be questions about smell and I’ve got answers for all of that. Anything I guess I can help explain I’ll be glad to do. I did go talk to, there are 3 different houses that are actually requiring this variance. Anything for setbacks or adjoining property owners in my thinking is done from the State. Which I have not filed for the State permit yet until we’ve got this because of right now we are just looking at the setback variances. Which part of me where we went ahead and went with this because I know two months ago I have another hog producer that was at the same board and got setbacks from houses to do a hog building which was within a 1,000’. I guess we’ve got one that is within a 1,000’. I know that was done 2 months ago I talked to them yesterday actually. That was approved from this board and that was the reason that I went ahead and went with it. Any questions that I can answer with anyone I guess I’m willing to do. We’ve got pigs from Burnettsville to Clarks Hill down by Lafayette and we really don’t have any issues with anyone that, I mean our manure we handle it and it is all State regulated on how we do it. How we do our dead pigs is all State regulated, everything is done by the book and we are looking for here is an expansion. I know one of the questions I’m sure is going to be why didn’t I build it over where I’m at. Well there is, to do this you need a different site for the simply fact that this will be a separate LLC. We are actually looking in that 40 acres range because on 40 acres that is a 1320’ x 1320’ x 1320’. Okay well this I called Bruce looking for land and he said well this is close to 40 acres and well so here we are and see what we run into. I don’t have any desire to be a bad neighbor by any means and anyone that would have more questions or be more interested I can take them to facilities that are new facilities. They are different than what most people when they think of a hog farm that probably throws up a red flag right there. Well in today’s world things are a little bit different. I’ll be glad to take anyone to see what today’s world is and today’s odor and show them any of the permits or anything they need to see.

President David Stimmel stated, Brad why don’t you just stay handy.

Brad Smock stated, I think I need to.

President David Stimmel stated, we will take questions from the board first. Jerry Thompson?

Jerry Thompson stated, yes I’ve got questions. Really it isn’t for this board to decide. I’m curious you have 33 acres where part of the manure goes, where are you going to go with that Brad?

Brad Smock stated, we will have to haul it out, we will haul it with trucks. It takes roughly 70 acres per 1,000 pigs so we will be hauling it off in tankers. Then also when you get to where you are talking about any amount of hogs at all you’ve got, I don’t care if you build it on your own farm you are still hauling manure away with tankers. So I know that is where I know normally pass think would tell you build something where there is the land to take care of it, but really you’ve got to truck it no matter where you build it in today’s world.

President David Stimmel asked, Dave Scott?

David Scott stated, the variance that you were talking about that we made is that the one over by Buffalo. We don’t set these setback rules.

Brad Smock stated, correct.

David Scott stated, as much as I would like to say yes we would let all of this happen. We approved that variance because he satisfied all of his neighbors.

Brad Smock stated, right that is what I’m here for.

David Scott stated, I’m going to be hard press to vote for this if your neighbors are unhappy about it. Somebody established what the setbacks are supposed to be for hog buildings from houses. If there is one neighbor here that is unhappy about it that is in this setback range I’m going to be honest with you I’m going to have a hard time voting for it.

Brad Smock stated, that is fine.

David Scott stated, so I don’t know if you have talked to your neighbors or…

Brad Smock stated, I was able to talk to, actually I guess the question is what do you consider neighbors. I have not talked to any adjoining landowners. That goes from the State.

David Scott stated, anyone that lives with in that setback area.

Brad Smock stated, yes I’ve talked to 2 of the 3 before I ever went through with this. I didn’t get any major objections and I also asked if there were any questions or anything I can do to help. Then no one responded to me now from hear say, yes there is major objections, but I have not been or they have not been brought to my attention. As far as, and the only thing I could have done to and I chose to do this method instead was as you can see there, you can move that building because the county setback is 6’ from the property line. The State setbacks are 100’. So I could have moved that building closer into that corner with the variances from the county to meet county regulations for setbacks and then got the variances from the State and that omits 2 of those houses. I choose not to do that for the simply fact that I thought this was more if you want to call it above board or whatever you want to call it.

David Scott stated, right, I guess the point I’m trying to make is if you see that there is going to be opposition against what you are wanting to do here, you may want to take the opportunity to table this to contact the people that are unhappy about it to try to make it right with them. Maybe they just say no, which…

Brad Smock stated, right, but also shrink the building to eliminate some of that, but that was then you would go through all this again next month with a smaller building or you would change the dimension or the building or whatever, but like I say that wasn’t my. The best thing for me is just be above board on all of it and if anyone has anybody has any questions I will try to answer them. That is the reason I went to those houses ahead of time to try to avoid it happening at this meeting so you guys were not here all night listening to it. We could have taken care of it on their back porches or whatever it might have been.

David Scott stated, okay I jut wanted you to know.

Brad Smock stated, okay sounds great.

President David Stimmel asked, Dave is that it?

David Scott stated, yes.

President David Stimmel asked, Gary?

Gary Barbour stated, I don’t have anything.

President David Stimmel asked, Carol?

Carol Stradling stated, I would like to add to what David indicated to what we granted before and that there was a previous hog confinement building there and yours is brand new.

Brad Smock stated, right. I guess i.

Carol Stradling stated, it was not in operation, but the building was there, so anyone living there would be well aware of the fact that.

Brad Smock stated, that the buildings were there even though they were shut down.

Carol Stradling stated, yes.

Brad Smock stated, then the only other thing that I’ve got against, and I ask everybody to look at this also, is that this is technically still zoned Agriculture and that agriculture whether it be beef, dairy or whether it would be corn, beans or whatever that is agriculture that is that area that is how everyone eats.

David Scott stated, it is that area, but somebody made a setback for a reason.

Brad Smock stated, that setback, and we went through this last month that is a county rule and this and one other county in the State is with these setbacks.

David Scott stated, what is the State’s setback?

Brad Smock stated, is from your adjoining property owner, which is a 100’.

David Scott stated, for a hog confinement building.

Brad Smock stated, from the adjoining property owners. That is the reason that this exists.

Carol Stradling stated, before you set down. The two existing homes that are in that block with the hog confinement buildings. Were they originally to the property or have they been constructed within the last.

Brad Smock stated, I don’t know that, I just know that I’ve got a purchase agreement to buy that and I would assume from looking at it that it was originally 40 acres and he sold off two lots on the corner would be my guess, but I have no idea. I’m sure there is someone here who can tell us about that, but I don’t know it. My thought would be probably bought the 40 originally and then broke those two corners off and sold lots off of them.

Carol Stradling asked, are you aware?

Director Weaver stated, I don’t have that information, no.

Carol Stradling stated, this is one of the new issues that the new ordinance will be addressing correct.

Director Weaver stated, I believe so.

David Scott asked, can I ask what does the new ordinance say about this?

Director Weaver stated, no. I can’t tell you.

Brad Smock stated, also truthfully part of this you can go out and buy 200 acres to get yourself separated from houses. I guess in my position the way I make my living is through hogs, not necessarily through land so you want your money tied up in inventory of livestock and not through inventory through land. That is part of the reason we are looking at smaller parcels that we can build the hog barn on and have the money tied up in livestock and inventory instead of land.

President David Stimmel stated, Brad one question before we go to the audience. There are 33 acres will any manure be applied to that 33 acres?

Brad Smock stated, well yes. We would probably run it on an every other year thing. Were you would cover that 33 acres every other year just when you are on the corn, unless you would, well even if you go corn back to corn the odds are you are going to do it on an every other year rotation. That is all regulated by the State and it will depend on the nutrient levels are whether you are allowed to put any on there whether you are or not. The way we do it now it would be every other year pretty much.

President David Stimmel asked, it is all injected also?

Brad Smock stated, yes.

Director Weaver stated, before you move on I have supplied the board with some maps showing the names of the adjacent property owners. We have also received 3 letters opposing this request and they are in the file and I have given the board copies of those as well.

President David Stimmel asked, do we want to read all 3 of these letters or do you want to enter them into the record?

Attorney Altman stated, I don’t have a problem with reading them, but I want a little more foundation here. Brad I have here what appears to be a schematic off of the satellite photo shows the proposed hog operation in the upper corner of this and shows the dimensions between it and the homes apparently the 3 closes homes. Those are the dimensions as you understand.

Brad Smock stated, that is also the same thing, I guess I didn’t look to see if those were exactly the same as Milligan doing the survey. That was done by the person I hired to do a permit and then we brought it in here and we have to have a legal survey so I took that to Milligan whether he wrote down the same numbers or surveyed it I couldn’t tell you.

Director Weaver stated, I haven’t looked.

Brad Smock stated, I know there should be a legal survey.

Attorney Altman stated, you believe it is actually Mr. Milligan survey that shows the distances between the proposed…

Brad Smock stated, it has to be Mr. Milligan’s because the other one wasn’t done by a certified. The other was not by Anheiser.

Attorney Altman stated, okay the second thing how many hogs will be at this improvement at one time?

Brad Smock stated, 4,000.

Attorney Altman stated, okay.

Brad Smock stated, 4,000 sounds like a lot to, but then we are back at today’s world and that really isn’t very many.

Attorney Altman stated, okay from what size animal to what size animal.

Brad Smock stated, they would come in at 10lbs and then at 180 days they would be gone and be at 260 or 270 and they would be gone and you would do it all over again.

Attorney Altman stated, I think I heard you right that under the State’s setback it goes to the border of your proposed 33 acres and 100’ around.

Brad Smock stated, correct you’ve got 100’ to you adjoining property owners. You could sell three acres to an LLC in the middle of that and then that would be your adjoining property owners.

Attorney Altman stated, would that mean that these 2 existing homes would still be to close.

Brad Smock stated, that is the County’s rule.

Attorney Altman stated, but the State rule it isn’t so or it is so.

Brad Smock stated, it is not so to the best of my knowledge and I know we went through that. That is a county regulated distance. Now what the true State distance is I guess if there is someone here that knows what the true state distance is I do not know. The State regulates that you are 300’ from any open source of water, but I know also when you get a drainage permit from the county like you’ve got to be 60’ away through a drainage board so I think there is some conflict there and I don’t know who is right or wrong and that is not for me to say I guess. This was the first step in a process.

Attorney Altman asked, have you seen the photographs?

Brad Smock stated, yes.

Attorney Altman asked, can you point on anyone of these and put a pencil mark to where you believe the hog operation will be?

Brad Smock stated, that sign would be the front edges of the building.

Attorney Altman stated, so the top left hand side and so it would be…

They are going over the photos.

Attorney Altman stated, that is all of the questions I have. (Jerry then proceeded to read all three letters, see file for the letters from the people opposing this hog facility).

President David Stimmel stated, okay.

Brad Smock asked, is that Johnson a house?

President David Stimmel stated, yes that is the one on the Southeast corner.

Brad Smock stated, okay.

Attorney Altman stated, it appears to be the number.

President David Stimmel stated, okay anyone from the audience.

Larry Marshall stated, my name is Larry Marshall. I live in one of the houses.

President David Stimmel asked, which one Larry?

Larry Marshall stated, is there a number.

Jerry Thompson stated, you are number one according to our.

Attorney Altman stated, number one.

President David Stimmel stated, okay thank you.

Larry Marshall stated, to clear up the first of all the purchasing of that property. That property was for sale as a house with 40 acres and Roger Wood and I split the property up. I bought the house and 4 acres and he bought the remaining property. This was 21 years ago. Sometime later is when the other acreage was sold off. We split that up too. I’m opposed to the hog operations due to what Mr. Scott said would be the variance being changed. It was to be 1320’ and somebody has had to look into that a lot to decide how many feet that they want. Also Brad had talked to me and I told him, I asked him a lot of questions and I didn’t give him any yes or no’s on it. He said he would try to get back a week later. In the mean time I have been out of town and different things. I have since talked to other people in the area and I have a petition I would like to present of the homeowners in the area. We have 5 pages of petitions to deny this variance.

President David Stimmel stated, okay.

Attorney Altman stated, okay we can mark that as objectors exhibit 1, 5 pages. I will circulate that among the board.

Jerry Thompson asked, can I ask a question? How far out did you go for signatures? Is there a certain area?

Larry Marshall stated, we are about a mile to mile and a half around.

Jerry Thompson asked, in all directions?

Larry Marshall stated, yes.

Attorney Altman stated, it does appear to have addresses on it. As soon as I get it marked I will get it to you.

Larry Marshall stated, several of these people, some don’t live there, but they own property adjacent to it across the road. Also concerned the first thing was the separation and we didn’t like. I went down by Brad’s house to see what his area looked like and it happen to be last week when we had the warm day and I had the window open in my truck and as soon as I turned on to Division road I could smell hog. I did see what appeared to be plenty of room in his area that he could, he has a couple older houses and we’ve, I don’t know who owns the property around his area it didn’t look like there were any houses to speak of. Quite a bit of farm ground. I’m not sure if all of that smell where it was coming from, what house if it was coming from the ground being a warm day. People that I’ve talked to are concerned about getting water, spillage or drainage into Pike Creek, which is just behind Suzy’s house.

Attorney Altman asked, who is Suzy?

Larry Marshall stated, Suzy Sanford. Pike Creek then getting down into Lake Freeman with the problems that we are having with the lakes now. We don’t want anything else to happen to them and cause more problems for our community.

President David Stimmel asked, does the board have any questions for Mr. Marshall?

Larry Marshall stated, I have several other members of our neighborhood who might want to speak.

Attorney Altman asked, do you have any animals on your fairly large parcel of ground?

Larry Marshall stated, no I do not, no dogs or cats.

President David Stimmel stated, okay. Is there anyone else? I wouldn’t say speak now or forever hold your peace, if you’ve got something to say now is the time.

Shawn Pherson stated, Shawn Pherson. I actually live at 400 and 39. You are questioning some of the people in which we got our signatures from. We never went any further North than 400. We stayed out to 800 and went South. We didn’t get involved in the new housing development that Wrede’s has put on top of the hill, which would have a direct effect with the smell of this, with a Northeast wind. If the Commission needs more names I’m sure we can get a couple of hundred if you want to expand the area out more than a mile without much problem. We thought we would try to do this locally as possible with the people close to that without bringing a great big issue to the County. So I hope that you guys agree with us in not allowing this variance to happen.

Charlie Tribbett stated, Charlie Tribbett. We live directly across the road and own the property directly across the road. My house is not within 1320’, but my property is. Obviously I think the signatures should speak for themselves. I mean these are people who live within a mile radius and what if I decided I wanted to come and put a house on the property that is within the 1320’ am I going to have to get a variance them because I’m to close to this building. I just think, I just feel that the board would be hard pressed to grant this with the remonstrance that is here tonight. Just ask for your consideration for that.

President David Stimmel stated, thank you very much. Anyone else from the audience? Anymore thoughts from the board? Carol?

Carol Stradling stated, Brad did indicate that he would address some of the concerns. I did highlight some that were in the letters and essentially if you would deal with the sewage and the odor, noise and traffic. Someone mentioned it would be unsanitary and they would get sick. Could you address those concerns.

Brad Smock stated, yeah whether that would as far as the unsanitary sick I guess that one there, like I said I want to revert back to most people miss comprehend the way pork production is done today. It is done more less like a factory, everything is done from IDEM rules and it is done above board and this is how things have to be done or you are not in production. As far as unsanitary, I don’t know that hog manure is anymore unsanitary it is in a concrete pit with 8” walls than whether your septic tank is. This goes through a leach bed and goes back into the ground or even if you are hooked up to a sewer plant, there are still pipes that run through the ground and they are not 8” thick full of concrete. That is all hauled off. The nutrients out of the manure are then in turn put in the ground. The crop whether it is corn, beans or whatever it might be takes the nutrients and grows the crops. It is the exact same thing why I don’t care if it is the sewer plant from a city or what it is, they are going to take the sledge out and put it in the ground somewhere. I know it has happened over in the area before that Monticello has hauled their sledge out of their sewer plants to that area and put it in the ground. As far as the petition that was signed. Yes I can see that, but I also know that in my area if I go to my neighbors that have lived there forever and wanted to sign something that said I don’t want a strip club in Cancun Mexico they are going to sign it because they have been my neighbors forever. I guess what I’m saying is if you travel among the people that are there they are not going to tell their neighbor well sure I’ll sign it whether they know what it is or not. Like I said I don’t want to be the bad guy by any means, I just want people to understand that truly what this is, it really is not what they maybe thinking. As far as driving by my farm and smelling it, I don’t know if that is an exaggeration or if that is the truth. I live about a mile East off of Division road. It really had to be bad that day and I guess I don’t buy that. That is fine. They are older buildings. They are not state of the art, I’ll give you that. They are older buildings some of them are partial slabs where as this building would have a full pit under it with complete ventilation. I still don’t believe that you would smell the manure a mile west of where my farm is, but maybe you can. What else do we have there?

Carol Stradling stated, noise and traffic, and also the, I didn’t mention it earlier but there were concerns about the water. The ground water.

Brad Smock stated, as far as what would be put in the ground water or what as far as the well would take all of their water to drink. I think a lot of this is just a big miss….

Carol Stradling stated, I think potential future damage to our precious ground water is the statement in Mr. Johnson’s letter.

Brad Smock stated, okay. Yeah theoretically or truthfully what you would probably do. You would probably in the fall of the year or the spring of the year you would end of with 4,000 gallons of manure per acre lets say at that farm. That is, and the only reason I would say that is because typically you are going to have 40 to 50 lbs. of nitrogen per thousand gallons of manure. A corn crop is going to take 200 so you are going to put 4000 gallons on and in turn that corn crop pulls that nitrogen back out of the ground. All of the other manure will be hauled else where to other places to be injected into the ground. I guess again I will over emphasis that I think there is a misconception whether this gets granted or not. I just ask everyone to realize that there are not very many pork producers left and the ones that are left they’ve got to do things like this to survive. It is a different world today than it was back when we slopped pigs out in the mud and all the pollution was stomped right in to the ground. It is a different world and I don’t want to be and I don’t think there is anyone else I don’t know if there are any other pork producers in here that want to be associated with people that don’t care about the land or don’t care about what they are doing. We have or we wouldn’t be in business.

President David Stimmel stated, Carol can I take you back to one of the things that Brad said that was the fact that the manure was being hauled off from the facility like this to another location or what requirements are made on manure being hauled off and injecting it.

Brad Smock stated, I actually brought if you want to see it you can, but this is all full of different things that you have to do when you are doing that. You have to regulate where the manure went and how long ago you put manure there before what the soil test were before you put it on it and make sure that the soil test are not greater than what the crop can pull out of the soil. There is a whole bunch of different regulations that have to be met. You can only put the amount of nitrogen in the ground that the crop would take out that following year.

President David Stimmel asked, are there any regulations about how close you can knife that manure in approximately to a resident?

Brad Smock stated, yes another is to an open well, I think if you inject it you can go to the property line. I guess and don’t quote me on that, but I’m 100% sure as I’m standing here that is the case, but I wouldn’t.

President David Stimmel stated, thanks. Carol anymore?

Carol Stradling stated, you have not yet address the noise and the traffic.

Brad Smock stated, traffic wise the only traffic there is, theoretically all of those pigs would come in one day and granted they can’t leave in one day. The traffic would mainly be I would assume that our traffic would go South and then West to 39. That was part of purpose of where this location was good. We were close to 39 and we are also possibly have pigs that would be just North of there in a facility that we rent closer to Buffalo so we could do it all in one hitch along the way. The pigs would come in, I mean you can fit those pigs in 2 semi’s. They bring 2,000 in a semi. They will leave. You can only haul out 200 at a time in a semi. The main traffic that you might see would be the guy who goes there and does daily chores and a feed truck. Probably all of the feed maybe one or two days a week. The traffic issue would mainly, there wouldn’t be a bunch of semi traffic if that is what the thought is I guess.

Carol Stradling stated, thank you.

President David Stimmel stated, yes sir?

Larry Marshall stated, I would like to respond to a question. Brad mentioned that there are not many pork producers in the area or around. In our area I don’t know where they all are, but it appears that there are 4 or 5 already. Phil Hunt has one just on 350 just North, a pretty good operation. Mr. Bullock has one down on 39 and I believe there are 2 or 3 more on East and Northeast. I’m not sure if Shawn knows where most of them are. In some respect the pork producers are trying to dump into our area and this makes it so that all of our property values and our life style is going to be affected and my kids are gone, but other people are moving in with children and we don’t know how that will affect them in the future.

President David Stimmel stated, thank you.

Brad Smock stated, to address that again I wasn’t going to bring the other producers that were in the area into this equation because I wasn’t going to condemn them but I guess he just mentioned the fact that yes there are hog farms there. That was part of my thought process to when this was the land that could be purchase is, there are already hog farms that are there with in I’m going to guess maybe a mile or maybe a half mile, one is 2 miles whatever. So yes there are hog farms there and that was part of my thought when we could purchase this land that there are hog productions already there. Like I said I wasn’t going to bring that up because I didn’t want to condemn the other people who produce hogs either. Now that it was brought up it was brought to your attention.

President David Stimmel stated, sir.

John Ohman stated, I wasn’t sworn in.

John Ohman stated, I’m John Ohman and I live on 250 N. I’m actually the second house on 250 N. We are all going to be affected by this. I’ve known Brad for a long time. We understand that is his living okay. We understand that there are farmers that are around us that do have hogs, but they also live there. This isn’t a big operation where they build the building and they are gone. They don’t have to live around it. The people that we, you know the farmers we have around us they live there. We are also looking at to is if we have one spill, we have a problem. Is the county ready to address that? With Pike Creek being so close. That is all I’ve got.

President David Stimmel stated, thanks John.

Brad Smock stated, I guess for the spill part I can, in your IDEM permits you have spill responses and whether they ever happen or not you have to have in place what will happen if there is a spill and how it will be addressed and how it will be taken care of I guess. That is addressed from IDEM.

President David Stimmel asked, Brad can you help me? None of the maps I have show me where Pike Creek actually lays in relationship to the ground.

Brad Smock stated, it would be South as far as I know. I don’t know for sure.

Director Weaver stated, on our staff report.

Brad Smock stated, I know State regulates you 300’ away from any open source of water and I know it is well over that.

President David Stimmel asked, John are you sure that is what we are looking at here? I’m trying to understand where Pike Creek is in relationship. It looks like it here, this line.

Charlie Tribbett is showing the board where Pike Creek is on the pictures.

Charlie Tribbett stated, you know I realize that things have probably have changed a lot since I grew up on a hog farm, but I guess I didn’t realize hogs had an odor until I moved away and came back. You can smell them, I mean it is, I mean look at the land fill up between Headlee and Buffalo and I also grew up by that also, they cover that with dirt every day but you can smell it for miles, miles because I still have relatives that live up there. I just think, I have a question that can’t be answered, but isn’t there some burden that this property is not of value for anything else before a variance like this is granted.

President David Stimmel stated, I don’t think there is.

Attorney Altman stated, there is a certain burden that is not injurious to the health, the use and value of the adjacent area. It is common use and other properties in the same zoning district and that the application of the that is strict application of the terms that the zoning ordinance would or would not result in an unusual or unnecessary hardship. That it would be the situation is such that the variance is necessary for the preservation and enjoyment of the substantial property right possessed by other property in the same zoning district and that the authorizing of such variance would be a substantial is or isn’t substantial departmental effect to the adjacent property. And would materially impaired the purposes of the ordinance of the public interest and going ahead I would be it is or isn’t typical as to be recurrent and that doesn’t go to your point however. We do look at that and we do look at some of the factors that you are talking about yes.

Charlie Tribbett stated, I know the person who owns the adjoining North called us to and I think that would adversely affect his ability to sell it like he has it divided.

Brad Smock stated, I guess the two parts to that is the adjoining property North of that would be the State part from adjoining property owners. As far as the landfill if you can smell that 2 miles away, but yet it seems like you can read the paper and everything and gets granted from the land fill. We can close a road for the landfill.

President David Stimmel asked, okay anymore comments, or anything else from the board?

Brad I’m just curious myself would it be of any value for Brad to table this or do you want to take a vote tonight. You have a fair amount of people who oppose this given your explanations. Again I’m just make sure that you understand that you are welcome to table this if you want to spend more time with these folks.

Brad Smock stated, I can table it I guess I don’t know what else I would bring back to the table except more like I said if it would just be public related. Maybe I need to talk to them and take them to a building that is new and say this is what you’ve got and this is the way it is.

President David Stimmel stated, I don’t know I’m just throwing it up to you.

Jerry Thompson stated, I like being President better because I didn’t give my opinion. I farm and I have farmed for 30 years and I guess I’m talking to the citizens of White County more so than maybe being a member of the board. This may be going to extremes, I know when you have hogs there are things that go with the hogs and I don’t care for some of those as well. But don’t forget people, we eat cheaper in this country then any other country in the world largely because of people like Brad. If you don’t want him and lets go on down the road and they don’t want them and on down the road and they don’t want a hog building next thing you know we are importing hogs from a foreign country and you are not going to eat as cheap as you are today. To answer your question Mr. Marshall I’m not, but I’ve been around enough hog farmers in my area because I sell them corn. We have two hog processing plants in the Area within 30 minutes of his and I know there are gearing up to kill over 30,000 head daily. That is why you are seeing hog buildings being built in the area and we are going to see more come to this board.

Brad Smock stated, I guess one thing I would like. (tape stopped) One thing also I do believe and I guess I asked my wife before I left home she said if so I don’t remember that. I do believe Mitch Daniels, who is the Governor stated that he would like to double hog production in the State of Indiana. That is because of grain farmers can sell their grain for a higher price and so to stimulate the economy, whether is it a little 4,000 head building here or somebody putting up 10,000 head there. I do believe that was stated, it is going to happen.

Lowell Jarvis stated, I’m Mr. Jarvis and I live on the Southeast corner one of these houses we are talking about. You table this and we will be back. Do you want me to show you which house I’m talking about?

Attorney Altman asked, which house is it?

Jerry Thompson stated, it is number 2.

President David Stimmel asked, what was your name again?

Lowell Jarvis stated, I’m Lowell Jarvis. I have lived here for 15 years in this house and this property owner is my sister. I want to address the drainage this 33 acres does not produce good crops, water stands. Where the drainage is going to come from I don’t know. The road 750 we are talking about is in bad shape, I catch all of the water coming down this thing. It comes from the North. If you table it, you may as well vote on it tonight, it is not going to work. We will be back.

President David Stimmel stated, this is up to Mr. Smock.

Lowell Jarvis stated, okay. You can table it, but we will be back.

President David Stimmel stated, no problem.

Lowell Jarvis stated, don’t pass this, I’m asking you do not pass this.

Carol Stradling stated, before you set down. You are living in the house that Steven and Patrician Johnson own.

Lowell Jarvis stated, that is correct.

Carol Stradling asked, so they are not living in it at this time?

Lowell Jarvis stated, no.

Carol Stradling stated, so their letter about sewage and stinch they really wouldn’t be affected by that, you would be.

Lowell Jarvis stated, I would be, but they own the property and resale value. If someone is willing to buy this house if this barn goes in, I mean we will sell. I use to own this house I sold it to them. I owned this property. I’m asking you not to pass this.

Carol Stradling asked, what is your major concern?

Lowell Jarvis stated, everything that letter said from Steve and Patricia Johnson, plus the field does not have good drainage. I don’t know where his drainage is going to go to. It won’t grow a good crop. You can check it out. Water stands there, we get 3 or 4 inches of rain big time. All of the water comes down from the North on 750 and there is no drainage there, it just runs down the road. That is my concern to. Is there anything else you want to ask? One more thing this knifing in, he is within my guess from the corner of my house, I’m surrounded on 2 sides of this property 33 acres, West side and North Side. He is going to be within 100’ of my house on 250 at least 100’ not much more than that knifing. I understand if you can’t knife it in, he can put it on top of the ground, if you can’t knife it in. I do know you can but 4,000 gallons per acre. He can do this every year if he wants too.

Carol Stradling stated, Brad is shaking his head no, I’m not familiar with, I’m not really familiar with the regulations, but maybe you can talk and share the regulations.

Lowell Jarvis stated, there is not much to talk about because I’m talking for my sister that owns this property and she has a no answer and I don’t care when you vote on this it is no. There is no talking. It is absolutely no.

Brad Smock stated, Lowell is one I know and he does business with us. I went and talked to him ahead of time and he is one of them I talked ahead of time with. These concerns came up later, he came and talked to me today and. Also the gentleman back there also I don’t remember his name we also talked to. As far as the concern of the house with Lowell, if they want to sell the house if that is a part of the issue, then the man who takes care of that barn might need a house so maybe that is an option. I guess I maybe I don’t know table it and talk to them. I guess my main thing is I’m never going to have all of these people together to say it at one time and this is what it is unless I go to everyone’s houses. They probably don’t want to see me on a Friday night or Thursday or Saturday night or whatever night it might be, when they are trying to feed their family and I’m knocking on the door and want to talk about this. I guess I’ve got better ears now then I’m going to have anywhere. I know you guys want to go home. Any other questions I would like to address.

President David Stimmel stated, yes sir.

Jerry MacOwan stated, I’m here on behalf of Richard Swank. He owns the property directly North. He is strongly opposed because he does have plans to develop that piece of property, which if the hog barn goes in it will devalue his property being less desirable. I’m not sure what we are here for tonight whether it is a variance setback or what have it. I’m not going to stand up for Brad and I’m not going to stand up for anyone else here tonight. I’m going to pick on the board tonight. You are all looking at these maps kind of in doubt, you can see it on your face. Maybe somebody from a Commissioner board or Area Plan or this board ought to go out to the site and see what we are looking at. Does that make sense?

President David Stimmel stated, sure.

Jerry MacOwan stated, we sure can’t see anything off a flat black and white map. I hate to set anybody back or keep anybody up, but there seems to be a lot of doubt in this room tonight to me from this board.

President David Stimmel stated, I would tell you that if it was truly that much doubt and the board itself to go look at it, which we have in the past tabled issues like this and gone out and looked at it because the board wanted to see that. The board has done that.

Jerry Thompson stated, I know this is not like being there, but we do have photos and we are rather familiar with the area. I understand.

Jerry MacOwan stated, I’m saying to stand on the site and look at the lay of the land, look how close is 1300’. Where is Pike Creek that is the big question, no one knows for sure. I think someone is being a little hasty. That is all I’ve got to say.

Carol Stradling stated, sometime you don’t know the questions until it is presented. If Pike Creek is not in my packet, why would I want to know where it is until somebody else brings it up and then we ask the question and we made sure it was answered. Questions are raised and we seek the answers.

Jerry MacOwan stated, correct. I’m just saying there is a lot of issues and a lot of neighbors and a lot of facts here and I think maybe there is a lot of consideration. I’m just here on behalf of Richard Swank and he is strongly objective to this.

President David Stimmel stated, thank you Mr. MacOwan. What is the pleasure of the board? Ready to vote?

Jerry Thompson stated, ready to vote unless other wise.

Carol Stradling stated, I would like to see how it compares to with what we are looking for in the new ordinance.

Charlie Mellon stated, that is another year.

Carol Stradling stated, it is not passed Charlie, but the intent is still in there and I would like to see how it, we are trying to address these issues and how this would be a good test for the new ordinance. Does it match does it meet the issues.

Attorney Altman stated, make a motion.

Carol Stradling stated, I move that we table it until the next meeting and see how the new ordinance would affect us if in any way.

Jerry Thompson stated, I will second it.

President David Stimmel asked, any discussion?

David Scott stated, regardless of what the new ordinance says, we can not go by it until.

Carol Stradling stated, that is true.

President David Stimmel stated, I hate to take the new ordinance in any way on the bearing of a decision like this at all. Possibly a mistake.

David Scott stated, I would like to know how it fits to, but it is not affect this one tonight. I would like to see how this fits in the new ordinance, but it wouldn’t have a bearing on this.

Carol Stradling stated, I guess my feeling is we are close enough to passing the new ordinance that if it would address this situation a variance would not be required and obviously we are making a change in the new ordinance that may need considered here, or maybe not.

Brad Smock asked, can I still talk or not?

Attorney Altman stated, this is our motion I think it is for us to decide.

Carol Stradling stated, that is just where I’m going with that. If we are not close to getting a new one if it would not be accepted in the new one as well as not being acceptable in this one. Then we reaffirm what the standard it. Without knowing if it is reaffirmed in the new one. Since this would affect so much I mean it would affect the developer and affect the hog operation.

President David Stimmel asked, are we ready to vote on the motion?

Carol Stradling stated, the motion is to table it until the next meeting.

President David Stimmel stated, all in favor signify by saying “aye and all opposed? Motion passed 3 to 2.

Attorney Altman stated, for everyone information it is tabled until the next meeting and that is February 16 right here and please come back.

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#2492 Russell W. & Kathleen M. Miller; The property is located on Lot 16 and 17 in Elizabeth A. Smith’s Second Addition, located Southwest of Buffalo at 5697 E. Bass Center Road.

Violation: None

Request: They are requesting a 2’ elevation variance to build a new home. Our Flood Ordinance requires the lowest floor elevation to be 658.2’ and they are requesting it to be 656.2’.

President David Stimmel asked, and you are sir?

Russell Miller stated, I’m Russell Miller.

President David Stimmel stated, thank you for your patience.

Russell Miller stated, hopefully this won’t take to long.

President David Stimmel asked, do you have anything to add?

Russell Miller stated, this explains everything.

President David Stimmel asked, do we have any fan mail on this?

Director Weaver stated, I don’t believe so. You do have a copy of the letter from the DNR stating what the elevation.

Russell Miller stated, I was told to bring the ordinal in. I’ve got the original if you need it.

President David Stimmel asked, Jerry Thompson?

Jerry Thompson stated, nothing.

President David Stimmel asked, Dave Scott?

David Scott asked, what is the 100-year flood for that area? Do I have that in my packet?

Director Weaver stated, yes.

Carol Stradling asked is it 656.2’?

Director Weaver stated, our flood ordinance requires that they build 2’ above that.

David Scott stated, build 2’ above that and…

Carol Stradling asked, what is the elevation of the property?

Russell Miller stated, currently?

Carol Stradling stated, yes.

Russell Miller stated, I’m not aware of what it is currently. I have an existing house there right now that I want to tear down and put the proposed house down. I don’t know exactly what the, I think I do have that. When I bought the house I did have a flood certificate I can go grab it, I do believe I have that. If you don’t have it.

David Scott asked, are you building a new house?

Russell Miller stated, correct.

David Scott asked, why can’t you build this out of the floor plain?

Russell Miller stated, because it, we are building a one and half story and if we do 2’ more above this 656.00 it is going to be pretty high in the air, this second story.

Director Weaver stated, I do have an elevation certificate, somehow it got missed, I will pass this around.

Attorney Altman stated, before we go too much further let me interject here. This is a totally different ordinance that you are looking at than the zoning ordinance. Actually has a fairly different standard that you are to review this by. I have prepared a new ballot today to sort of come to grips with this. If, it really does limit what a homeowner or anybody can build in a special flood hazard area. If it is in a flood hazard area there is some very specific requirements that have to be meet or they can not do that. It isn’t just well we varied it a little bit, but if they are at a certain level the ordinance says absolutely they can not build at that level. I guess what I’m trying to say is these questions that are asked in the ballot I prepared as looking at the first on here. The variance request and the issue is you have to determine if this alone or in combination with the existing or future development would cause an increase in the elevation of the regulation flood. We need evidence about that or you can’t make a decision here, or whether it involves a channel modification. You need evidence of that. It is encombinate of the applicant to present that and whether he is in fact a special flood hazard area. We need evidence of that and it is the applicant to present that. Without that you can not grant that. Then 3 going on this variance request whether a combination of other or development increase the regulation flood being more than one tenth of a flood. These are pretty technical things that need to be in the record, it isn’t just generally here it is folks vote for it and your, and if you do sort of what you think. Would it or would it not increase flood damages or potential flood damages. These are things the ordinance specifically says he has to bring to us in the way of evidence. You have to basically agree and vote on that, so I bring this out because this is our second consideration under this ordinance and this is the first time I have modified this ballot to specifically address the requirements of the flood hazard ordinance. So he needs to present all of this evidence and this information to your satisfaction before you can vote aye or nay.

Russell Miller asked, can I clarify something on there? This isn’t my second. This is my first.

Attorney Altman stated, yes, you’re first. This is the second time this ordinance.

Russell Miller stated, well it sounded like, and also I did have and I was told by Area Plan that I had to get to Indiana DNR which states all of that. Which you are saying is it is in a flood fringe and not a floodway. You should have a copy of that also. I do have the original, which they do highlight.

Director Weaver stated, I think that would help them because what we have is not highlighted.

Russell Miller stated, right that is why I was told to bring the original. That is from the State DNR.

Attorney Altman asked, do you have your approval on this? Is that what this is?

Russell Miller stated, yes I believe it is, that is what Area Plan gave me the application and I sent it out to Indianapolis.

Director Weaver stated, basically what this letter does is tell you that they are in the floodway or in a floodway fringe. If they are in the fringe that is when they can build at the requirement of our ordinance, which is 2’ above flood elevation.

Attorney Altman asked, is he going to build 2’ above or is he asking for a variance on that?

Director Weaver stated, he is asking for a variance of that.

Attorney Altman asked, how much?

President David Stimmel stated, 2’.

Director Weaver stated, he is wanting to build at the base flood level.

Russell Miller stated, the base is 656’.

Attorney Altman stated, again I’m not trying to be harsh, I’m just saying this is a fairly technical ordinance and the requirements for a variance are fairly technical too. You’ve got to present this to us and maybe this does that. I hope it does. We’ve got to have it or we can’t give you the variance.

Russell Miller stated, sure, that is fine. I believe that is what the DNR was stating on there.

President David Stimmel asked, Jerry?

Jerry Thompson stated, nothing right now.

President David Stimmel asked, Dave Scott?

David Scott stated, the DNR says the 100-year flood in that area is 6 oh okay that is a 6 there, it is 656, it looked like all 6’s.

Russell Miller stated it is written there.

David Scott stated, it is 656’. My problem with allowing you to build in the flood plain is unfortunately I have been involved in a situation where somebody would be in the flood plain and they will get flooded and come back and want the county, the town, and somebody to take care of the problem for them.

Russell Miller stated, right I understand that, but are you considering the flood plain or the flood fringe. I know you can build in a flood plain.

David Scott stated, right. The 100-year flood plain is just exactly where you are wanting to build. I’m uncomfortably at letting you build at that level. Unless he wants to put a commitment in there that he builds at his own risk and I don’t know if we can do that or not. If he would just come out of it a 1’ I would feel better about it.

Russell Miller stated, that would be fine with me, I just, 2’, I’m putting a 1 ½ story up there. I want it to conform to the other area. We have ranch styles, 1 ½ and 2 stories. I go 2’ above and 2’ doesn’t sound a lot, but when you have a 2 story house with a you know a pitch that is over looking the water the thing is going to look enormous. I don’t want to do that.

David Scott stated, and for your protection.

Russell Miller stated, I understand.

David Scott stated, if it rains and you have water in your crawl space and it creeps up in your….

Russell Miller stated, I guess I wouldn’t have a problem with a 1’. I think another foot up is still going you know, it is going to be enormous, I don’t want to be looking you know 2’ is going to be a lot and the way it is setting now, if you take a look at the house I see you have pictures. I assume those are pictures of the house there. We are building up the property already. The front or the back part is along the road we are bringing it above the road already at 656 and coming out and then slopping down towards the lake. We are now going to go 2’ above even more, I’m pushing a lot of water right now.

Gary Barbour stated, yea right now you would be 2’ above everyone else in the neighborhood, but yet the 100-year flood plain everybody else is going to want to build at your height now. That is what we are trying get everybody to do.

Russell Miller stated, right, well you know those cottages it is just a… I see what your point is to.

David Scott stated, we have problems around the lake in the flood plain and someplace you have to draw a line in the sand and say look we are going to make people come out of the flood plain.

Attorney Altman stated, the flood fringe.

David Scott stated, or the flood fringe. Can he modify his request I mean he kind of agreed to that.

Attorney Altman stated, sure thing.

David Scott asked, would you be agreeable to that?

Russell Miller stated, I would be agreeable with that work?

David Scott asked, are you the owner or the contractor?

Russell Miller stated, I’m the owner, and I’ve got to talk to the contractor.

President David Stimmel stated, there is a gentleman in the back that had his hand up first.

Cindy Lear stated, Cindy Lear, Quality homes. What I want to say is he already has two existing homes side by side. He will be tearing one down that is not at elevation level. He has owned these two homes, so you know we are going to be improving it at this point. He owned these homes before so it hasn’t been a problem. I just want to point that there is a home there.

Russell Miller stated, the existing and I own lot 15.

President David Stimmel stated, sir please come forwards.

Keith Hill was sworn in by Attorney Altman.

Keith Hill stated, I’m Keith Hill and I’ve owned the property next to Russ since 1958 it has been in the family and I can personally testify that the highest the water has ever gotten was 42” in my little house which isn’t up to the floor of the house he is going to tear down now. The house that he was living in Ron Lanford lived in it and raised it up and the house he wants to put in now will be the same height as that house, which would be confirming along the line of houses down through there.

Attorney Altman stated, so putting more above that would give him a real margin of safety.

Keith Hill stated, yes and stick it up above the other houses a lot more.

Attorney Altman stated, well he can have a single family home also.

David Scott stated, I’m really trying to do both of us a favor here. I mean somebody once again set a 100-flood line at some point and time.

Russell Miller stated, right it is at the top of the foundation would be a 656. So the top of the foundation is a 656. The base plat on you would be talking about another 1’ there with my house. That is the floor to walk into the house so the top of the foundation of the cinder block the 656. That is where I’m coming to the ordinance or this variance.

David Scott stated, we require the wood structure to be 2’.

Director Weaver stated, the lowest floor elevation.

Attorney Altman stated, so he is going 657.2.

Director Weaver stated, that would be the bottom of the trusses.

President David Stimmel stated, so raising it a 1’ would be real close.

Director Weaver stated, the bottom of the joists.

David Scott stated, so you would think that it would not be good for the look of the neighborhood. Do you think his house would stick up above the other houses in the neighborhood that much?

Russell Miller stated, it is going to be enormous, I don’t want it to be an over improvement I want it to conform to the other houses in there. I feel if we go 2’ over it.

David Scott stated, no I’m saying 1’, if we agree with a 1’.

Russell Miller stated, with that 1’ I thought we were talking, I mean are we talking about the top of the cinder block foundation. I mean this is where it is all playing out to be. My foundation the top of it is 656’. Then you would add on to the house with that would be the 1’.

David Scott stated, I understand Diann to say it is the top of the floor.

Director Weaver stated, the bottom of the joist.

David Scott stated, the bottom of the joist has to be 2’ above.

Director Weaver stated, above the flood elevation according to our ordinance.

David Scott stated, so what does that do to you if the bottom of the floor joist is 1’ above the 656.2.

Russell Miller stated, well that is the floor joist are 10” there so it will be another 2’, so either way you know I’m adding 2’ so if I go with the 1’ or the 2’ ordinance, I’m actually 3’ to the look of the house on the over all height. I’m adding 2’ 10”.

Carol Stradling asked, is there a reason you won’t go single story?

Russell Miller stated, yeah I can’t fit it on there. We tried that, my wife wanted a ranch and it just won’t work. We are moving in here to have the kids grow up here and the two story will fit good on this property. If you have the survey with the garage, as you can see the garage is already going into lot 16, so I do a ranch I’m back here applying for the variance for the 18’ setback I believe it is on the lot side. I’m building right up to the sides. It won’t fit with the ranch and we need the room, obviously we have two kids.

Carol Stradling asked, is there a reason you are locked into this property?

Russell Miller stated, yes, I like the neighbors, it is all flat and I own both lots, I own Lots 15, 16, and 17 right next door. I’ve owned it for a few years now. This is where we would like to be. At first when we decided to move out here, well we were like why are we moving out here. The main reason was the neighbors and we have flat land, we have the best of both worlds.

Carol Stradling stated, you may not be able to build the house you want on that piece of property.

Russell Miller stated, for what the 1.5.

David Scott stated, what you are saying is if we go to the bottom of the floor joist if you even come up a foot you, that is going to raise the house the 2’ you didn’t want.

Russell Miller stated, it is going to raise it a 1’10” your floor joist is 10”. Is that correct?

David Scott stated, that could be the bottom, that could be the.

Russell Miller stated, if I had a floor joist here, you are talking 10”, this is 11” paper from here on down has to be 658’ according to your ordinance, not the floor on top.

Director Weaver stated, right.

Russell Miller stated, so now I’m putting this up at 658’ and now I’ve got this plus my floor on top on there 3’ above the over all look.

President David Stimmel stated, it is still only going to be 2’ because you are asking for a 2’, it isn’t going to be 3’. I thought I heard Dave say he was willing to split the difference in his opinion. Is that correct Dave?

Russell Miller stated, to the 657’ if that is the case.

Attorney Altman stated, 657.2.

Russell Miller stated, 657.2.

President David Stimmel asked, is that what I heard Dave?

David Scott stated, yes. I would be willing to give you my vote if you would go the 1’.

Russell Miller stated, if I amended it to the 657.2.

David Scott stated, right.

Russell Miller stated, we don’t have to table that tonight, we can amend it tonight.

Director Weaver stated right.

President David Stimmel asked, Gary?

Gary Barbour stated, I don’t have anything.

President David Stimmel asked, Carol?

Carol Stradling stated, I’m not sure I’ve heard the answers to the questions that are in the findings and facts. Have I missed them.

President David Stimmel asked, was he aware of this Jerry before you changed the findings of facts, I mean?

Attorney Altman stated, no, it is in the ordinance. I mean what I guess what I’m saying is the law assumes that he understand this sort of thing. He must be aware of what the law is. I guess it is fairly simple what I understand is. You have a home there and you are adding essentially a home that will be somewhat larger and if you raise it he 1’, it would be 1’ over the present structure that is there.

Russell Miller stated, I believe the present structure that was done about a year or two ago. That is with the present structure on there.

Attorney Altman stated, okay and that it will not cause any elevation of the regulation, it won’t cause any flooding what you are adding.

Russell Miller stated, what I’m adding no, it won’t cause any flooding.

Attorney Altman stated, it is not involved in any channel modification or fill in the channel.

Russell Miller stated, no.

Attorney Altman stated, you may not have thought of these, but this is part of our ordinance is looking it does cause more flooding. Is it located in the special flood hazard area?

Director Weaver stated, that is what the DNR letter states.

Attorney Altman stated, that it is.

Director Weaver stated, it states the flood plain limit and the flood fringe of the Tippecanoe River.

Attorney Altman stated, that is the flood hazard area.

Director Weaver stated, that is not a special flood hazard area, it is a flood way fringe. There is a difference.

Attorney Altman stated, so it is not okay, and that it in a combination of a existing or anticipated development will it or not cause any more flooding.

Russell Miller stated, no.

Attorney Altman asked, would it increase flood damage or the potential of flood damage?

Russell Miller stated, no.

Attorney Altman asked, especially when you raise it that one foot?

Russell Miller stated, correct.

Attorney Altman stated, your good cause as you have plead is the fact that you believe you are raising and existing home by replacing it with a new home that is going to be significantly higher out of the flood area.

Russell Miller stated, correct.

Attorney Altman stated, that you believe a if you went to a ranch style home that it would in fact need other variances and still potential have the same flood problems.

Russell Miller stated, right now the flood certificate you have the house is 654.8.

Attorney Altman stated, so you are raising it almost 3’.

Russell Miller stated, correct.

Attorney Altman stated, so to impose the full amount of the elevation would be a hardship to you.

Russell Miller stated, correct.

Attorney Altman stated, for the reasons you testified to.

Russell Miller stated, correct.

Attorney Altman stated, you don’t believe that it will increase the flood height and we’ve said that. It will not increase additional threats to public safety.

Russell Miller stated, correct.

Attorney Altman stated, cause public expense.

Russell Miller stated, correct.

Attorney Altman stated, and create a nuisance.

Russell Miller stated, correct.

Attorney Altman stated, cause fraud of the public.

Russell Miller stated, correct.

Attorney Altman stated, or conflicts of existing laws.

Russell Miller stated, correct.

Attorney Altman asked, Diann do you believe that it conflicts with any laws or ordinances?

Director Weaver stated, not that I’m aware of.

Attorney Altman stated, I suspect he has… it is not Diann subject to the requirements of section 8 of the flood hazards ordinance. Some of this is not for you to answer. We have to make a record cause other wise we are just doing a beauty contest or that type of vote or worse than that we don’t know.

President David Stimmel stated, this is the first time the board has seen this ballot Mr. Miller. It is new to us and I apologize to you.

Attorney Altman stated, well it is pretty important you don’t want your home where it is in harms way.

Russell Miller stated, correct.

Attorney Altman asked, is it subject to the requirements of section 8 of that ordinance?

Director Weaver stated, yes.

Attorney Altman stated, do you agree that it is not located on a lot of a half acres or less, both lots together they are not less than half acres are they.

Russell Miller stated, I have 2 lots here 16 and 17.

Attorney Altman stated, it would be less than a half acres it is 90 x 138 would be less than a half acres. It is a half acres or less and the variance request is at the minimum relief necessary and give such it would give the maximum practical protection. Do you believe that would be so?

Russell Miller stated, correct.

Attorney Altman stated, the variance is for a residential use in a floodway, right Diann.

Director Weaver stated, it is not in a floodway.

Attorney Altman stated, it is not a floodway, okay. We’ve gone through the ballot. Now the board can understand it, and he is amending his request to raise it 1’.

President David Stimmel stated, so the variance is for 1’.

Attorney Altman stated, for the record it is 3’ above the current home on the lot.

Without further discussion the board voted.

The Board finds the following:

1. That the property is properly zoned L-1, Lake District


2. That the lot was an existing lot of record at the time of enactment of the ordinance, as defined in Section 2.114.


3. That the site plan survey provided shows the lot size, existing improvements and proposed improvements, see file for exhibit.


4. That no objectors were present at the meeting.


5. That proper notice was given by mail to adjoining property owners.


6. That the request is for 2’ elevation variance to build a new home. Our Flood Ordinance requires the lowest floor elevation to be 658.2’ and they are requesting it to be 656.2’ on lots Numbered Sixteen (16) and Seventeen (17) in Elizabeth A. Smith’s Second Addition to Bass Center, White County, Indiana.

COMMON DESCRIPTION: The property is located Southwest of Buffalo at 5697 E. Bass Center Road.


7. That the variance herein authorized and granted is not so typical or recurrent in nature as to make typical or recurrent the formulation of a general regulation under an amendment of the ordinance for the above said condition or situation of the above said specific piece of property, and the Board additionally finds that the above said variance is based on the findings of fact so made that are required to be made under the provisions of Section 10.10 of the White County Zoning Ordinance, said findings of fact support and create a fact situation that authorizes the above said variance under the above said sections of the zoning ordinance.


The variance was granted based on the findings of fact by a vote of 5 affirmative and 0 negative.


Attorney Altman stated, you need to get your building permit. I need to note that it was granted to the amended request that raises it to the 1’ instead of the 2’ as originally requested.

Director Weaver stated, you will have to get a new elevation certificate before you get an occupancy permit.

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President David Stimmel asked, is there any other business before the board?

Director Weaver stated, I just wanted to mention that you did get a copy of a letter that we received from Joe Bumbleburg, I don’t expect us to act on this tonight, we need to read this so we can discuss this at the next meeting.

Carol Stradling made motion to adjourn.

Gary Barbour seconded the motion.

The meeting adjourned.

Respectfully submitted,

Gary Barbour, Secretary

Diann Weaver, Director

White County Area Plan Commission