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July 2, 2001 Tape #013

The White County Drainage Board convened at 10:30 A.M. in the Commissioner’s Room of the White County Building with Board Members Ronald Schmierer, John C. Heimlich and O. D. Ferguson in attendance. Also attending were Attorney George W. Loy, Engineer Todd Frauhiger and Secretary Romana Kiser.

Others attending were Charles Mellon, Jack Pherson and Trent Pherson.

Chairman Schmierer called the meeting to order. Board Member Heimlich made a motion to approve the minutes of the June 18, 2001 meeting. Board Member Ferguson seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously.

Engineer Frauhiger reported that last Monday Surveyor Ron Nolan of Samuel L. Moore and Associates, Surveyor Raderstorf, contractor Mike Ezra and an accompanying surveyor took several shots on the Christian Brechbiel Drain in Union Township, White County, Indiana. He said, “Basically what Surveyor Raderstorf and Surveyor Nolan found going up the branch at County Road 750 E and County Road 175 N was that, they took a shot there and they were about .6 high, they were about a half a foot higher than they were supposed to be. Then they went back to the structure where the two twelve inch tiles come together and they were about a half a foot high there also. They apparently met with Attorney George Loy, Surveyor Raderstorf on the 22nd, which was the Friday before our surveyor went out to confirm that they (Contractor Ezra) had actually gotten high and were off grade. I’m not going to put words in their mouth because I wasn’t at the meeting, but Attorney Loy was, they (Contractor Ezra) apparently had a tile contractor there or a tile manufacturer there saying that a flat spot in the tile wouldn’t hurt, but I totally disagree with that. I guess the bottom line of that meeting, George, is that……..”

Attorney Loy stated, “They have been put on notice that they are going to be required to make it right. We do need more elevations shot, which….” Engineer Frauhiger said, “Which we have already done.” Board Member Ferguson said, “And Ezra is supposed to right that.” Attorney Loy continued, “They’re responsible for whatever we want done, at their cost.”

Board Member Ferguson said, “Are they going to have to put another tile in right beside of it?” Engineer Frauhiger said, “Yes, they’re probably going to have to, and I have to do calculations, but it’s probably going to be another fifteen inch tile, on grade, and right beside the existing fifteen inch tile, from the structure where the two twelve inch tiles come together. So we’ll have the flat fifteen inch tile plus a new fifteen inch tile on grade.”

Board Member Ferguson said, “Back on the south side of CR 175 N, they won’t have to do anything there.” Engineer Frauhiger answered, “Surveyor Raderstorf apparently talked to a number of people on up the main branch, Wayne Hunt and…..on up the branch that comes in, Branch 1, and everyone seems to think that at least in those areas it’s working ok. It’s not put in as we designed it. We know they’re higher, at one point they said on the branch they had to reduce the slope because they would have come out of the ground. They said it was our fault, but now we know they were already .6 of a foot high clear up at the beginning so no wonder they were coming out of it.”

Trent Pherson said, “What I’m interested in, if the plans called for .2 and he only had it in at, let’s say .1, it’s not done to plans, it’s not done like we agreed to, ok?” Engineer Frauhiger agreed. Trent Pherson continued, “If that branch needs to be redone to put it on the .2 the way your numbers came out, I say let’s get it on the two tenths.”

Engineer Frauhiger said, “The problem we have right now is that Surveyor Raderstorf and Surveyor Nolan didn’t want to go in anyone else’s fields to take shots, so the only places they could take shots were County Roads breathers, and places like that. So, we don’t have enough information at this point. Until the crops come out of the field, at least that’s Surveyor Raderstorf’s feelings, to go out and take shots on up the main. We know it is messed up and we know it is going to have to be fixed. And I don’t think we are going to be able to collect enough information to see about the branch or see about the rest of the main until some of the crops come off.”

Trent Pherson said, “You can on the branch because we’ll give you permission to go ahead on the branch on our property.” Jack Pherson said, “It doesn’t bother ours and it doesn’t bother Tony Franscoviak.” Attorney Loy and Engineer Frauhiger stated that we will need something in writing on that. Chairman Schmierer said, “Get us something in writing that says that from Franscoviak and you guys.” Trent Pherson said, “You need something from us too?” Attorney Loy and Chairman Schmierer answered yes. Chairman Schmierer stated that we couldn’t go in and do anything until we get the drops off anyway. Attorney Loy said he would like to know as soon as possible what is to be done.

Engineer Frauhiger explained to Charlie Mellon that we aren’t going to take out the fifteen inch tile that Ezra just put in, so there will be the fifteen inch that is in that is at least working part way and the new one we are going to have Ezra put in at the grade we established. Board Member Ferguson asked how many feet of fifteen inch tile Ezra was going to have to put in. Engineer Frauhiger said 1,500 feet.

Chairman Schmierer asked for a progress report on the J. Unroe Drain in Wolcott. Engineer Frauhiger answered that he got a response back from INDOT that they would pay for the portion under the State Road 24. He said we have ordered a supply of Root-X to put in the pipe and get the roots killed. We have drawn up some specs for bid and he and Surveyor Raderstorf have not talked about it since.

Chairman Schmierer adjourned the meeting.