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     May 2, 2011


The White County Drainage Board convened at 10:30 A. M. in the Commissioners’ Room of the White County Building, Monticello, Indiana.  Board members present were:  President Ronald Schmierer, Vice President Steve Burton, and Drainage Board Member John Heimlich.  Also present were Attorney George W.  Loy, Surveyor Bradley Ward and Drainage Assistant Mary Sterrett.

 Also in attendance were:
 Sharon Watson-White County Soil and Water 
 James Britt

 The first item on the agenda was to approve the minutes from the April 18th , 2011 meeting.  Board Member John Heimlich so moved.  Board Member Steve Burton seconded the motion.  Motion carried unanimously.

The next item on the agenda- discuss Big Creek private bridge replacement after the flood 1958

 Surveyor Ward stated, “This was I believe a week ago or two weeks ago it was brought to my attention that in l958 the Big Creek was being dredged and there was a flood that Spring.  It washed out a private bridge.”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “Private bridges are put in by private people.  I think you can relay that message to him.”

 Surveyor Ward replied, “The next time it is brought up I will relay that message.”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “All right!”

The next item on the agenda-set the rates for the Maintenance Modification on the Errol Westfall

 Surveyor Ward stated, “This is the project up in Monon we are getting ready to do.  There is about Six Thousand Dollars ($6,000.00) in the account.  I have it estimated about Thirteen Thousand Dollars ($13,000.00) to do the work. I thought if we doubled it, it is Three Dollars ($3.00) per acre now. If we doubled it we could have it paid off in Twenty Fourteen (2014) with money left over.”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “I wouldn’t see any reason why not double it to get it done and to get it paid for.  I don’t know what the rest of the Board thinks.”  Talking to a member of the audience Chairman Schmierer asked, “Are you on that ditch sir?”

 James Britt replied, “No, I am concerned about Wolcott.”

 Chairman Schmierer continued, “Ok, so you heard what Brad (Surveyor Ward) said on the Errol Westfall we need to double the…”

 Board Member Heimlich asked, “What is it now?”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “It is Three Dollars ($3.00) per acre double it is Six Dollars ($6.00) for two (2) years or three (3) years.”

 Surveyor Ward replied, “Well, it would be Twenty Twelve (2012), Twenty Thirteen (2013) and Twenty Fourteen (2014) it would be doubled for.”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “That would be three (3) years so we could maintain it and pay for it.”

 Surveyor Ward stated, “I’m assuming that my estimate is close and there will be money left over.”

 Chairman Schmierer asked, “What is the Board’s favor on that?”

 Board Member Heimlich said, “You would have to send out the notice.”

 Board Member Heimlich made the motion to set rates on the Errol Westfall Maintenance Modification at Six Dollars ($6.00) per acre with Ten Dollar ($10.00) minimum. Then drop back to Three Dollars ($3.00) per acre with Five ($5.00) minimum in three (3) years.  Motion seconded by Board Member Burton.  Motion carried unanimously.

The next item on the agenda approve the Joseph Kellenburger Maintenance Petition

 Surveyor Ward stated, “This is the one that Dirk Fleck was in about. Switched from Reconstruction to Maintenance.  Here is the signatures that he has on it.”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “He has most of them doesn’t he. We need a motion the accept the petition but I have got a question for Brad (Surveyor Ward).  Are we probably going to have to raise the Maintenance on that also?”

 Surveyor Ward replied, “I would think so, I don’t see any way around it actually.  Dirk was talking we would probably going to have to raise it to Twelve Dollars ($12.00) per acre when we raise that one to get it paid for.  There is no money in fund now.   It only brings in, not much a year.”

 Attorney Loy asked, “We will have a hearing right?”

 Board Member Heimlich made a motion to accept the petition for Maintenance on the Joseph Kellenburger Tile Drain #553.  Board Member Burton seconded the motion.  Motion carried unanimously.

Next Mr. James Britt from the audience spoke regarding a problem in Wolcott

 Mr. Britt stated, “I would like to see if there is any way we can stop the trash coming out of the farmer’s fields into that ditch. It has made a tremendous mess.  The County has cleaned it once or twice in the last five (5) years.  Right now there is probably three (3) or four (4) feet of corn stocks in the bottom of it.  They aren’t going any where and the next rain that we get it is going to be a lot worse and blocking it.”

 Chairman Schmierer asked, “You live caddy corner from the elevator, right?”

 Mr.  Britt replied, “Yeah!  My property goes back to the farmer’s field where the ditches starts.” 

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “Yeah!  I thought you did, I wasn’t sure but I thought you had been in before when we were putting the tile in.  I don’t what we can do about it do you Brad (Surveyor Ward)?”

 Surveyor Ward replied, “I will have to look at to see if there are any options.” 

 Attorney Loy asked, “Is that on the Unroe?”

 Board Member Burton replied, “Right!”

 Chairman Schmierer said, “We would have to put up a catch fence up to do some thing with it.  I am not sure what you could do.”

 Mr.  Britt asked, “Can there be a trash fence put across?”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “That is what I just said, I didn’t know if we could do that or not.  Whether we got a place to put it.”

 Mr.  Britt replied, “I know years ago almost all your ditches around had trash fences in them.  You don’t see that at all any more. Also there on Fourth Street where the culvert goes under that street there by Scott.  That has been caved in when they put the sewage in and it is pushed down probably about that far.  About ten (10) to fifteen (15) feet in and when ever any thing comes it catches it and holds it underneath the culvert there.”

 Board Member Burton asked, “Which one is Fourth Street?”

 Mr.  Britt replied, “The last street going west.”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “The culvert there they got problems with that culvert there?”
 
 Mr. Britt replied, “Yeah!”
 
 Chairman Schmierer stated, “That is a good size culvert too.”

 Mr. Britt replied, “Yeah, when you get that broke down that far…”

 Chairman Schmierer asked, “It’s broke down?  It’s broke down?”

 Mr. Britt replied, “Yeah, when they put in the city sewage the company out of Illinois that put it in and then got their contract pulled.  They run across there all the time with big front end loaders and they broke it down.  I complained to Mike Huff about getting it fixed.  They cleaned it off, laid a plate over the top of it and covered it up.  The town said that was good.”

 Chairman Schmierer said, “We don’t have any control over that, that is city.  We don’t have any control over that at all.”

 Attorney Loy asked, “Sanitary sewer line?”

 Mr. Britt replied, “No, it is the culvert that goes under the road.”

 Chairman Schmierer said, “It is a culvert under the street, under their street.”

 Attorney Loy asked, “For drainage?”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “For drainage but when they put the sanitary sewer in they broke it down.  It is still the Town of Wolcott’s responsibility.  Yeah, because it is in town.”

 Board Member Burton stated, “The new culvert under Twenty-Four (U.S. Hwy 24) is nice but the way they set up those trash bars on that again it catches corn stocks.”

 Mr. Britt replied, “All the corn stocks coming down it is just going to make it one big mess right there.  I don’t know what the surveyor is in that, he would probably tell you.  They tell me that just to the west or east of town that is about two (2) feet to high and it needs to be cleaned. I have never seen any measurements on it or any thing.”

 Surveyor Ward stated, “That is what Chad (Reynolds) was saying that the grade gets higher as it goes out of town.”

 Board Member Burton asked, “After Burke Street?” 

 Surveyor Ward replied, “Yes!”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “That’s been that way for several years.”

 Board Member Burton said, “They are talking about the trees and stuff growing between there and the sewage plant. That might be some thing to see where we are with the money.  If there is any thing left in that account to ….”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “I don’t think there is any thing in the Unroe.  It is in bad shape.”

 Drainage Assistant Sterrett replied, “It is in debt, not a lot but it is in debt.”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “Yeah, but it is still in debt and that is the trouble.”

 Drainage Assistant Sterrett replied, “We have raised the assessments already.”

 Board Member Burton asked, “Wasn’t it supposes to be paid off in a year from this project?”

 Drainage Assistant Sterrett answered, “Yes, an other year it will be out.”

 Board Member Burton replied, “Right, may at that time we could plan to….I have noticed in the paper they talked about the large rip rap on the east side of Twenty-four (U. S. Hwy 24) that they installed along the Lumber Company.  They didn’t think that was appropriate that it may be holding the water back.  It is just my personal opinion I think the new culvert under Twenty-four (U. S Hwy 24) is capable of flowing more.  Consequently it is going to back that up east of Twenty-four (U.S. Hwy 24) over to Burke Street and make it look like it is not functioning correctly.  But like you know any major rain by the time I got over there the water had moved enough that the culvert under Burke Street was running probably half up.  So, any intense rain will create the problem that you see.”

 Mr. Britt replied, “Well, part of it was going over the top of the street there.  The contractors they put in all that stone and as far as I am concerned they put in to much.  They came and worked on it and cut it down quite a bit that helped a lot.  If we could stop the trash that would be a tremendous thing.”

 Chairman Schmierer stated, “Brad (Surveyor Ward) will have to take a look at it.  I think Brad if you look at where it comes in over there.  I am not sure you can put a trash fence up.  I have been over there several times but I have not been over there lately.  If you do put a trash fence up then we got the problem that it got to be cleaned back by the trash fence.”

 Board Member Heimlich said, “It will hold the water back.”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “When ever you put a trash fence up you are going to hold water at the same time.”

 Mr. Britt replied, “Most of your trash on them trash fences will float on top of the water.  So it basically don’t really hold the water back.  It just holds the trash and the water goes under it.  Because the bottom of the trash fence if they are put in right has got wood on the bottom of them.  A cable across the top and when a flood comes it floats it, holds and catches the trash.” 

 Board Member Heimlich stated, “You are talking about the kind of fences like under bridges, they use to have.”

 Mr. Britt replied, “Yeah, bridge use to have a lot of them.  It looks like he could do some thing, the farmer could do some thing there.  I have pulled that trash out of his field for thirty-five (35) years now.  I have got it pretty well cured from mine because I put a chain link fence across the back and along the sides.  So, this last flood I never got any corn stocks in mine.  They were all in the ditch and out in his field.  I don’t know legally if you can put a trash fence in or not.  I know they use to sure have them.”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “We will ask the Surveyor to take a look and report back to us to see what we can do for you.”

 Mr. Britt asked, “Are you going to be there tomorrow?” 

 Surveyor Ward replied, “I will try to get over there this after noon.  I had planned to go that way this after noon already.”

 Mr. Britt said, “I will be around, thanks a lot.”

 Chairman Schmierer said, “Thank You!”

 Chairman Schmierer asked if the Surveyor had any thing else for the Drainage Board.

 Surveyor Ward replied, “Just kind of an up date, on the Henry Stewart we sent those letters.  We received one back from Blissitts they are the ones pushing the issue.  Got that one back today.  Then the other one was the little issue.  There was suppose to be a letter sent to Dave Reiff on the Hook Drain.  Clyde Patty has been kind of asking for it.  I guess I don’t know the whole situation there.”

 Board Member Burton stated, “Regarding the cattle.”

 Chairman Schmierer replied, “I think the letter we told them to send….It is up there in Cass Township….He wants them sent a letter that if his cattle destroy the ditch that he has to pay for fixing it.”

 Surveyor Ward stated, “I don’t believe there has been a letter sent.”

 Chairman Schmierer asked, “Has there ever been a letter sent, Mary (Drainage Assistant Sterrett?”

 Drainage Assistant Sterrett replied, “No, George (Attorney Loy) was going to help with that letter.”

 Attorney Loy replied, “Oh, on my way out I will help with that.”

 With nothing more for the Drainage Board Chairman Schmierer adjourned the May 2, 2011 Drainage Board Meeting.