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June 20, 2011



The White County Drainage Board convened at 10:30 A. M. in the Commissioners’ Room of the White County Building, Monticello, Indiana.  Board members present were:  President Ronald Schmierer, Vice President Steve Burton, and Drainage Board Member John Heimlich.  Also present were Attorney George W.  Loy, Surveyor Bradley Ward and Drainage Assistant Mary Sterrett.

Also in attendance were:

Todd Frauhiger P.E. – AECOM    Russ Sickler
Ron Allen            Jason Latta
Kenneth Latta            Richard (Buzz) Horton

The first item on the agenda was to approve the minutes from the June 6th, 2011 White County Drainage Board Meeting.  Board Member Steve Burton so moved.  Board Member John Heimlich seconded the motion.  Motion carried unanimously.

Next on the agenda-Veolia Environmental Services Drainage Review
Viewing paper plans

Engineer Frauhiger stated, “I met with Brian Cross and Brad Hartz at our office.  They came over and brought some plans.  I think you guys saw these at the last Drainage Board Meeting.  I was asked to take a look at them before you made any recommendations.  There is an existing detention here, scale house, there is some additional gravel going in and a proposed manhole where all the tiles come together. Flow leaves the site this direction.  This manhole has an open grading on it so it allows some water in downstream of the detention pond into the tile that is already overburdened.  We did some calculations from there at the office.  We are going to put a restrictor plate on the outlet of this existing pond to slow the water coming out of the pond.  It will not over top the pond but it will hold the water back.  It will make up for the additional water that is going to drop into this grate and go directly into the tile.  The other thing that was discussed with them is they are considering right over by this road where these trees cross the tile.  They are considering an additional breather over here.  So, if they ever have trouble with roots in the tile at that particular point there is an easy way to get to it.  With the restrictor plate here I went ahead and gave them a problem with the open grate here. They are going to get back to me on the additional breather for the …..volume.  After we got the calculations done it is ready for approval with the restrictor plate.”

Chairman  Schmierer asked, “With these comments what is the favor of the Board?  You don’t think that catch basin is going to cause us problem?”

Engineer Frauhiger replied, “No, as a matter of fact it is a catch basin they are actually sending that to a catch basin.  So, it will be two (2) feet below the flow line of the tile.  It gives a place for sedimentation to collect and clean it out.”

Board Member Burton asked, “Are those trees existing or they going to be new?”

Engineer Frauhiger replied, “Those are existing. I drove by the site today and there are tree over there.”

Chairman Schmierer asked, “Is that to the north?”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “That would be to the west, along Three Hundred (300).”

Board Member Heimlich made a motion to approve the Veolia Environmental Services drainage plan.  Board Member Burton seconded the motion.   Motion carried unanimously.
Next on the agenda-The Errol Westfall Drain #651 Maintenance Modification

Surveyor Ward stated, “We talked about it before, it was the purposed raising the collection from Three Dollars ($3.00) an acre to Six Dollars ($6.00) an acre.”

Chairman Schmierer asked, “Is there any discussion?  I guess you fellows know what we are trying to do.  Trying to clean it out and get it going.  Do you have a map of how far we are going on that and everything.”

Surveyor Ward replied, “Of course not with me.  We are probably going to go a little bit further than previously.  I talked to Mr. Horton about it.  Go a little bit further it won’t change my estimate to much. We need to take more trees off.  It will still be in the legal description right of way.  Just a little further it is about a mile and a quarter total project.  Something like that. ”

Chairman Schmierer stated, “You got it over there?  If you want to see a map of it go over to his office he has a map of what he is going to do.  Check it out in there.”

Kenneth Latta asked, “How far are you going?  Up on Murphy’s then some place?”

Surveyor Ward answered. “I don’t know where Murphy’s is at off the top of my head.”

Buzz Horton stated, “………I got involved because I bought some ground from Rita Hughes and just got my assessment in June.  I am getting assessed for Three (3) acres. I called Brad (Surveyor Ward) and saying I got more that should be assessed.  Brad (Surveyor Ward) was nice enough to come out last Monday.  Met with Rita Hughes that is who Kenny (Latta) is referring to as the Murphy farm.   Met with Cary Cannon he farms that farm.  Brad came out and stayed way past four o’clock Monday afternoon.  We looked at it he explained to Eric Ledyard, Cary Cannon, Rita and myself.  At that time Brad (Surveyor Ward) said that at that time it is going to stop farther south.  It would go through her property and the ground that we just purchased.  Both Eric, Cary, Rita and myself agreed for him to come farther north.  There is a culvert that has been always used by Rita to get to both sides of the Errol Westfall Ditch.  She sold me the property west of there so the culvert is no long needed.  It created  a barrier to the flow of water back in January of  2008.  Washed  that out and created a lot of damage.  We can now take that culvert out that is ok with Rita.  David Horton would probably like it back if it could gotten out without damage.  It is ok with me to take that culvert out.  If you get a four (4) or five (5) inch rain I would think it would slow the water down quite a bit.  Mr. Horton continued,

Number 1.  I am ok if I get assessed more.
Number 2.  The culvert can come out, it is ok with Rita.
Number 3.  We would love it to be cleaned through us.

I would think it would be beneficial straightened up.”

Chairman Schmierer asked, “Do you know what culvert he is talking about?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “I sure do.”

Ron Allen stated. “We own the property that was owned by the Byroad family.  That would be in the second quarter mile probably Brad, of that ditch. There are two culverts there the first one to the south ….”

Surveyor Ward stated, “I think we talked about that and that is the one we were definitely going to have pulled out.” 

Ron Allen continued, “I think we would like to keep the other one that is in there that allows us to cross there but we don’t need that first one.  I would have to put that back in any way I guess, wouldn’t I?”

Chairman Schmierer answered, “Yeah, it is the land owner’s expense.  Actually all we are doing today is raising the modification to six dollars ($6.00) per acre for three (3) years then drop them back.  We do that a lot of times with modifications that way with maintenance.  That way you don’t have to go through reconstruction.  It saves you a lot of money by not having to go through reconstruction.  If you do that you got to do everything else with the engineer and everything else.”

Board Member Burton asked, “It will drop back to what rate?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “Three dollars ($3.00) per acre and Five dollar ($5.00) minimum. There are no minimums as of today but that could always change.”

Chairman Schmierer asked, “Are there any other questions on it?”

Kenneth Latta asked, “Could we get together and decide we want to do it ourselves instead of going through this would you allow that?  If we could agree ourselves what it would cost and what we would charge.”

Board Member Burton asked, “Have you completed all your work?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “Ninety percent (90%) I would say.”

Board Member Burton stated, “Why I would caution a little bit at this last second is that we have had one that was agreed to and it didn’t go smoothly.  If this would have been brought up at an early date I …..”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “How many other land owners are on it?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “There are fourteen (14) land owners total in the water shed.”

Chairman Schmierer asked, “Why would you want to do that anyhow?  Do you think it would be cheaper?  Do you think you would save money or what?”

Kenneth Latta replied, “Yes, I have got an excavator and I would do it reasonably priced to get it done.  If the other guys would work with me.  If they don’t want to that is fine.”

Buzz Horton stated, “I just did one with…and Denny (Retired Surveyor) helped lay it all out, that we did out by Uncle Bill’s farm on Nine Hundred (900).  Involving ten (10) of us and it didn’t work out to good.  It really didn’t and I was fortunately the peace maker.  I darn near got beat up.”

Kenneth asked, “If I want to do it on our own….?”

Chairmen Schmierer replied, “Yeah, you can bid on it.”

Board Member Burton stated, “That would be a precaution if it would have started that way to begin with if it was brought to us.  Those seem to go a little better.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “We have had a couple even with that where they started  out everybody was going to pay and then in the end everybody didn’t.  Then they came back and want us to do something.  Really we can’t at the point.”

Buzz Horton stated, “Our trouble Kenny (Latta) was just getting everybody on the same page and getting the same need.  Denny Sterrett (Retired Surveyor) helped dip a lot of it in 2009.” 

There is a portion here that is not auditable for approximately one minute or more.  It is believed Kenneth Latta and Mr. Horton were speaking to each other.  (Listen to recorded version)

Chairman Schmierer presented the following:




ADOPTION OF MAINTNENANCE MODIFICATION
I.C. §36-9-27-42



THE WHITE COUNTY DRAINAGE BOARD HAVING HEARD AND CONSIDERED ALL THE EVIDENCE AND ANY OBJECTION SUBMITTED IN THESE PROCEEDINGS, THE CHAIRMAN WOULD NOW CONSIDER A MOTION FINDING THAT THE CURRENT ESTIMATE OF MAINTAINING THE ERROL J. WESTFALL DRAIN #651 IS INSUFFICIENT AND THAT THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENTS FOR PERIODIC MAINTENANCE OF SAID DRAIN SHOULD BE INCREASED AS PROPOSED IN THESE PROCEEDINGS.

BOARD MEMBER HEIMLICH SO MOVED.
BOARD MEMBER BURTON SECONDED THE MOTION.

THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED TO RAISE THIS MAINTENACE TO SIX DOLLARS ($6.00) PER ACRE AND TEN DOLLARS ($10.00) MINIMUM FOR THREE (3) YEARS.  THEN DROP BACK TO THREE DOLLARS ($3.00) PER ACRE AND FIVE DOLLARS ($5.00) MINIMUM.  THE WHITE COUNTY DRAINAGE BOARD BY A VOTE OF THREE (3) IN FAVOR AND ZERO (0) OPPOSED NOW HEREBY ADOPTS THE SCHEDULE OF ASSESSMENTS AS ORIGINALLY FILED HEREIN OR AS AMENDED.  THE WHITE COUNTY DRAINAGE BOARD ISSUES ITS WRITTEN FINDINGS AND ORDER DECLARING THE PROPOSED MAINTENANCE MODIFICATION SCHEDULE IN THESE PROCEEDINGS ESTABLISHED, A COPY OF WHICH WILL BE MAILED TO ALL OWNERS AFFECTED.


Next on the agenda-Update on the Henry Stewart Tile South of  Brookston

Surveyor Ward stated, “Basically it has just been to wet to go down and look at.  It has just been to wet to go look at even with the Contractor.”

Chairman Schmierer asked, “What else do you have for us today?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “The Piggyback (Hoosier Lift) railroad ponds over west of Wolcott had been pumped and they are full again. Over flowing! They have been notified and they are bringing the pump over.  I assume as we speak.  So, that is just kind of an update there.” 

Surveyor Ward continued, “The tile hole we talked about over by Dwyer Instruments, Inc. this is the culvert bill.  Just for the culvert not any repairs.  Steve Brooke had ordered the culvert.”

Chairman Schmierer replied, “We are going to pay for the culvert out of economic funds aren’t we John?”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Yeah, we will have to get additional appropriations.”

Chairman Schmierer asked, “Has he got started on that?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “He thought he would get to it last week but as of Thursday evening he had not started.”

Chairman Schmierer asked, “To much rain?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “Yeah, so he probably not working on it today either I guess.”

Surveyor Ward continued, “We are getting ready to start on the Kellenburger Tile  Maintenance Modification.”

Chairman Schmierer asked if there was anything further for the White County Drainage Board.  Chairman Schmierer then adjourned the June 20th, 2011 White County Drainage Board Meeting.