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August 22, 2011


The White County Drainage Board convened at 10:30 A. M. in the Commissioners’ Room of the White County Building, Monticello, Indiana.  Board members present were:  President xxxx, Vice President Steve Burton, and Drainage Board Member John Heimlich.  Also present were Surveyor Bradley Ward and Drainage Assistant Mary Sterrett.  Attorney George W. Loy was not present due to a court case in Carroll County.

Also in attendance were:

Sharon Watson-White County Soil and Water
James Britt
Michael Lehe
Tim Deardorff
Connie Flick
Cindy Muffett-District Conservationist

The August 22, 2011 White County Drainage Board was called to order by Vice President Steve Burton.

The first item on the agenda was to approve the minutes from the August 1st, 2011 White County Drainage Board Meeting.  Board Member John Heimlich so moved.  Board Member Steve Burton seconded the motion.  Motion carried unanimously.

Vice President Burton stated, “One thing I would like for the record to show is that our standing President of the White County Drainage Board, Ron Schmierer passing on August 13th, 2011.  I would like to acknowledge his great commitment, time and support of this Board.   The operation of White County through his many years and I am sure one (1) reason for doing this is that this Board relies on its  history a lot. Through record and reference that we note this great loss has happened.  Do you have anything else to add?”

Board Member Heimlich said, “I would second that, I served with Ron (Schmierer) since 1997.  In fact that brings to mind the story of the Drainage Board because when Ron (Schmierer) and I came on as Commissioners.  Ron (Schmierer) kind of volunteered to take the Presidency of the Drainage Board because of Ron (Schmierer) being a non-farmer and grocery store owner I think had taken quite a bit of guff from farmers that he didn’t know anything about drainage.  He had made it a point he was going to take charge of the Drainage Board and show them and he did.  He put an awful lot of time on drainage issues and did a heck of a job.  He is going to be missed.”

Vice President Burton replied, “With that being said we can move on to the first item on the agenda.”      

Next on the agenda-Approve the Petition for Maintenance – John A. Washburn Drain  #598

Surveyor Ward stated, “There are eleven (11) property owners in the water shed.  It is just over a mile long, in Cass Township.”

Board Member Burton asked, “Cass Township?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “Yeah.”
Board Member Heimlich made the motion to approve the Petition for Maintenance on the John A. Washburn Drain #598.  Board Member Burton seconded the motion.  Motion carried unanimously.

Next on the agenda-Michael Lehe-Discuss the Cox Branch of the George Bossung Drain #512
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Vice President Burton stated, “We may need George here for some questions.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Yeah we may, I know it is going to have to be a vacation.”

Surveyor Ward stated, “The tile, stop me if I am wrong, I believe that it comes right through this area.  This is 100 South and 300 West.”

Michael Lehe replied, “It would actually be to the left of the property line a half (½) mile, in that quarter (¼) section.”

Surveyor Ward continued, “Ok, it is full of silt. He is wanting to know what we can do to get it replaced, sooner than later.  You are wanting to tile this fall, the field?”

Michael Lehe replied, “We would like to tile our sixty-six (66) acre field and this old County Tile really about dissects the center of that field.  A new tiling system will require the replacement of that.  I don’t think that it is viable enough to put new tile into this old ditch.  We have a history of tile repairs on that tile.  You have paid for a lot of repairs and I have done some of it.  We have hired Randy DeVault and other people.  It is old clay tile in quick sand and it is constantly silting and breaking.  We would like to replace it with a new main near or close to where it is.  Then of course make sure we hook up the neighbors to the south that are draining into it.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Who else is on this, just Gary?”

Michael Lehe replied, “Gary Cooper is the only other acreage that drains in to it.  He is in agreement with that, you may need an official word from him.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Yeah, we would have to have something official from him.  So that is his outlet he drains through there?”

Surveyor Ward replied, “About twenty (20) acres of his is in the water shed.”

Vice President Burton asked, “Is there water east or west of it that is in that?”

Michael Lehe said, “Only in the Cox farm the field that we are going to…”

Surveyor Ward replied, “Not a whole bunch, the road here I believe is the water shed line, it kind of wraps around.  There are not a whole lot of acres on that tile.  It stops there at 100 south before it dumps into the Bossung Ditch.”

Vice President Burton asked, “So what he has got the hand on is the field that you are talking about?” 

Michael Lehe answered, “That is the field that is going to be tiled.”

Vice President Burton asked, “Where does it exit and continue on?”

Michael Lehe answered, “Right where the hand is it turns into an open ditch.”

Vice President Burton asked, “That is the Bossung?”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “That is the George Bossung Ditch.”

Vice President Burton stated, “So you are going to outlet straight in there so it would be a matter of the twenty (20) acres that Gary ….ok.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “I think what would be involve there would have to be a petition to vacate.  Unless, is there going to be an out let actually take the place?   You said you were going to do the whole thing.  What is the Cooper tile going to hook up to?  Is there going to be a main line goes through there?”

Michael Lehe replied, “It will probably hook to a main line because the main tile is located where it needs to be, in the lowest section of the field.  What my drainage people have proposed is just to make sure you have an open sloped area.  Where maybe turn the old tile into a four (4) foot vertical stand pipe, four (4) foot diameter.  Then have a new outlet leaving that way.  That way you would have the ability to look at the old tile and suck silt out. So we are not filling a new plastic tile up with silt from an old tile.  You would always have an inspection area.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Do you anticipate that new out let or the new main tile being pretty much where the old one is?”

Michael Lehe replied, “I think so, we may use the same outlet pipe into the ditch.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “I am thinking that might not be a Vacation that might be a Reconstruction.”

Vice President Burton asked, “So there is just going to be two (2) owners.   Can you only notify the Cox Tile or will the whole Bossung need to be notified?”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “I don’t think for this you would have to notify the Bossung.”

Surveyor Ward replied, “It is paid for by the Bossung.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Oh, it is paid for by the Bossung.”

Surveyor Ward said, “Yeah, it is part of it that is kind of a hang up there.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Yeah, then everybody in the water shed.”

Michael Lehe asked, “If it was vacated and everyone was in agreement you would not use County funds to maintain this tile in the future I presume.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Well, unless the new one became, what do you and Mr. Cooper want? Do you want it to be maintained as a County Drain or does it matter?”

Michael Lehe answered, “Well, I don’t think it will matter because if it is replaced with plastic tile I think it will be zero (0) maintenance.”

President Burton replied, “You are funny.”

Michael Lehe answered, “For my life time! We never go back and repair plastic tile once they have been installed.  We just don’t have problems with it.”

Vice President Burton said, “That is what they said about clay.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “I have had some problems with plastic, maybe in more sand then you are in.  Well, I don’t know.  The question would be and I don’t know how much you have talked to Mr. Cooper. Whether he wants that maintained because his portion would be County Drain too, right?”

Surveyor Ward stated, “He has acreage that goes in to that tile but the tile does not go across the road.  The tile does not go on to him it just picks up water.  I don’t know if there is a catch basin there that water runs into.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “He doesn’t have any tiles that hook into it?”

Surveyor Ward said, “There is no tile on his property as far as the legal description describes it.”

Michael Lehe replied, “We run surface water under the road culvert from his property to the Cox property.  It follows the grounds water way and runs into this tile.  But I don’t know about if it goes under the road or not.”

Surveyor Ward said, “The legal description stops at the road. There could be a tile that runs on south on to Cooper but it is not the County Tile.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Yeah, if you are going to maintain it and you don’t care if it remains a County Drain then it would be a Vacation otherwise it could be a Reconstruction.  You are just basically just replacing that tile.  But it sounds like you are leaning more toward a Vacation.”

Michael Lehe said, “We are going to get ninety-nine percent (99 %) of the good out of the tile we just need to make sure to let his water to continue to come in.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Right, I thought there was a tile in his property so it is just surface water that is going in there.”

Michael Lehe replied, “He may have a different view point here.  He seems to know where everything is and what was put in.”

Surveyor Ward said, “There could be a tile attached to his farm.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “Yeah, he could have a private tile.”

Vice President Burton replied, “He would still have expectations to that tile having an exit there.”

Michael Lehe said, “He says there is an eight (8) inch from his farm that hooks in to this and for the entire length of the Cox farm there is a ten (10) inch. So he was concerned the out let be that big or bigger so that it will continue to take his water.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “So he is maintaining he has got a tile.”

Michael Lehe replied, “I did not know that it wasn’t a County Tile.”

Surveyor Ward said. “The County Tile stops at the road or the legal description for the County Tile.”

Michael Lehe replied, “We will not pull anything over on Gary we know that.  We will make sure that it is done to his satisfaction.”

Board Member Heimlich stated, “I think the first thing would be a petition to vacate, right?  I am sorry our Attorney (Loy) got tied up in court in Carroll County.  So at the last minutes he said he could not be here today.  He could give us the final opinion on it.  I think we are going to have to have a petition to vacate the County Tile.”

Surveyor Ward asked, “Would that be just the people on the Cox Tile that would get the petition or would the whole…?”

Board Member Heimlich answered, “That is something that George (Attorney Loy) I guess would have to answer.  It doesn’t really make since no one else is going be affected by vacating it.  But since it is paid for there I don’t know if they would have to be notified that could be a legal thing.”

Michael Lehe replied, “A few years ago Arnie closed a portion of the open ditch that went into the Bossung Branch. The Cox Farm got a letter on that and we were way up stream.  It didn’t really affect us but…”

Board Member Heimlich said, “I think since it is paid for by the whole. I think everybody has to be notified.”

Surveyor Ward replied, “The tile out by the Buss Ditch I believe that is how that was done.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “But still that is not all that many people.”

Surveyor Ward said, “I will look in to it.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “That is probably the first thing getting him a petition to vacate.  Talk to George (Attorney Loy) and get it started. Then we would have to have something in writing from Gary, I guess to see that he is ok with it. He would be the only one directly affected by it.”

Vice President Burton stated, “We will have another meeting September 6th, right?  Two weeks and we can probably get an opinion from George (Attorney Loy) before then.”

Surveyor Ward replied, “I will see if I can get with him tomorrow when he gets back in town.  To see what he suggests from them.”

Vice President Burton said, “In case he suggests a different course.”

Next on the agenda-James Britt of Wolcott-Trash Fence-Unroe Drain #593
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Surveyor Ward stated, “He is wanting to ask about a trash fence, flood fence on the Unroe Tile to catch the corn stubble before it gets into the Unroe.  Do you want to come up and explain what you are wanting to do?  Maybe better than I can.”

James Britt said, “A large open field just beyond to the west and all the corn stubble and everything comes into that Unroe Ditch.  I think the County even paid to have it cleaned last spring.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “We have done it on a couple of occasions, I know, had the County Highway came in.”

James Britt continued, “What I would like to do is, because I put a chain link fence around my property.  Across the back and along the sides to keep the corn stalks out of my property.  It seems to be working fine and I would like to be able to put a chain link fence across that and use it has a trash fence.  To keep the corn stalks from coming into that ditch. Because all of them they come in and block the culverts.  The State put in that new one there where it goes under the highway.  It is bars, several bars going up and down in it.  Well, it is really going to catch all the corn stalks.  This trash fence would hold all that out in the farmer’s field.  It is not that I am trying to do anything to him but he has to disk and work his field anyway.  So, it would be his own corn stalks that he would be putting back into his field.”

Vice President Burton asked, “The Unroe, refresh my memory here Brad (Surveyor Ward) the Unroe does it extend west out of the city limits?”

Surveyor Ward replied, “Not real far, I will try to zoom in on it.  The ditch I believe basically starts right here.”

Vice President Burton asked, “The open ditch?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “The open ditch, the tile takes off for another three quarter (¾) of a mile.  I believe the ditch starts right here at the end of Scott Street.”

Vice President Burton asked, “So, Mr. Britt you are suggesting that the fence be on who’s property?”

Mr. Britt answered, “Part of it would be on my property.  I have all of the lots here are mine. It is all yard except where my home is.  Now that two (2) half (½) lots that I want to put the fence across from the end over on to that. I can get the man’s permission that owns that lot.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Who is over there?”

Mr. Britt answered, “Gary, he has the machine shop up town there in Wolcott.  He owns that property.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Is that a building there?”

Mr. Britt answered, “Yes, it used to be for the Lyons Club they closed it and sold it.  He bought it with the intension of moving his machine shop down there.  It didn’t have enough power and they wanted a tremendous amount to run the additional power down there for his machines.  He uses it just basically it for storage now.  I visit with him a lot and everything. I know I can get his permission to put it in there.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “I guess my only question would be what happens if we stopped everything up there on the ditch and the water is still coming?  The water will find some place around it if the stalks have blocked it there.”

Mr. Britt replied, “All the trash fences I have seen always have wood on the bottom of them.  That way when the water comes they will float.  That way they ride right on top of the water.  They catch all the trash coming and hold it there so it doesn’t go on into the ditch. There is only one (1) that I can think of right now.  Just south of Wolcott where those two (2) bridges are, it is just east on the North Bridge or just west about a quarter (¼) of a mile there is a trash fence there.  I think originally that fence was   in for cattle.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “I have seen a lot of them like that for cattle where they are in the ditch.”

Vice President Burton replied, “The other question will be the maintenance of this.  The stalks pile up and if they aren’t cleaned the next large rain the stalks are going to be there to start with.  Referencing back to John’s comment they will just continue to get deeper and the water is going to go somewhere.”

Mr. Britt replied, “They float, they let the water underneath they don’t hinder the flow of the water any.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “How deep is that ditch there?” 

Mr. Britt answered, “Three (3) or four (4) feet it gets a little deep as it goes down.”

Surveyor Ward replied, “Maybe not that deep maybe two and one half (2½) or three (3) feet.”

Vice President Burton said, “It transitions into the grass.  It is not real aggressive there.”

Mr. Britt replied, “The ditch actually goes on out into the field there another hundred (100) feet probably.”

Surveyor Ward said, “I would have to look at the legal description to see where our portion actually starts or stops.”

Vice President Burton replied, “At this time it is an idea we might…”

Board Member Heimlich said, “I would want to look at it.  We might even have Todd (Engineer Frauhiger) to give an opinion on it.”

Vice President Burton said, “I hate to put her on the spot.  Have you seen anything else around in the area, the District or the County that deals with residue trash?”

Sharon Watson of White County Soil and Water introduced Cindy Muffett their District Conservationist.

Vice President Burton replied, “I can’t think of anything else in White County that directly is directed.”

Cindy Muffett replied, “No, residue is a huge issue in a number of counties, the building up and creating it.  I just think you are going to get with blocking that flow of water it is going to go elsewhere. Possibly create erosion.  It will be a big maintenance issue for somebody who has to go out there and clean up the residue.”

Vice President Burton replied, “I was just trying to expand past my narrow world. Ok, thanks.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “I guess I can’t think of seeing one right at the head wall of the ditch like this is.”

Vice President Burton replied, “What you are referring to it was basically set up for livestock.  It wasn’t really a trash fence.  It was to keep the fence there for livestock but allow the fence not to be swept away in a major rain event.  So, that is where I questioned what was intended for livestock use what the up keep and whether it would be affective in residue.  Especially after you had a large event, the residue builds up and the residue is not cleaned out it is a bigger problem the second time.”

Cindy Muffett said, “There are a couple of non-structural options. One would be go to no till and leave the residue but maybe not chop it up so much.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Who farms that ground?”

James Britt replied, “It is Geib’s grandson.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “That is Bart Snyder.”

James Britt said, “He farms it and right there it would back out.  There is a bunch of corn stalks there that they got back out into his field.  He just went ahead and planted through them this year. Some of the corn stalks are probably that deep.  He didn’t try to disk them in or chop them in or anything. If he would work his ground, as far as I am concerned if he would work his ground in the fall, we would not have that trouble with the corn stalks all winter or all summer long, because he would have plowed them under.  The fact that when you leave them lay there, then the first big flood you get one (1) inch or two (2) inches of rain then all of them come off the field.  Right down in there and flood the ditch.  I hope I have got them so they can’t get on my property.  The only thing is they come up to the culvert here.  There are three (3) of them before it gets to the highway.  It is unbelievable how many corn stalks gets in them. Hopefully this would stop them.  I know it would keep them out on Bart but they are his to start with.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “The other concern that I would have is if it plugged up there due to the fact getting water started channeling around and flooding something else.  Whether it is yours side or where the building is on the south side. Remember a few years ago that big flood we had between Mike and I.  The Honey Creek Ditch there got plugged up with stalks at the railroad. It ended up it went around and took the railroad out, because it could not get through the bridge underneath the railroad.  So we got to be mine full of unintended consequences whatever we do.  We will take a look at it.”

Mr. Britt said, “A lot of that property there is mine on the north side of the ditch.  It would be me that would get flooded out up to South Street.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “When you say it plugs up the culvert, does it back up there to where it comes over the street?”

Mr. Britt answered, “Yeah, a lot of them gets caught in the culvert so that won’t let the water come through. Then it comes over the top.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “How big is that culvert there do you know?” 

Mr. Britt answered, “Four (4) foot I think.”

Surveyor Ward said, “It is a squashed pipe, I don’t think it is four (4) foot tall, forty (40) inches maybe, thirty-six (36).”

Vice President Burton replied, “See every crossing has got a culvert in it.”

Surveyor Ward said, “When we had them dug out this spring it was probably half (½) full of stalks.”

Vice President Burton asked, “How many street crossings, three (3) between there and Highway 24?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “Yeah.”

Vice President Burton replied, “It is something we can look at and ask questions about.  I don’t know that we are in a position to make a decision and try to put up that at this moment, without exploring.”

Mr. Britt replied, “I understand that.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Thank you!”

Next on the agenda-Tim Dearforff-Water Issue
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Surveyor Ward said, “There is dirt being dumped out on Sixth Street.  This is from of the building south of it looking north.  There are probably what twenty (20), twenty-five (25) loads of dirt being dumped.  There is a County Tile; obviously this is the old Dairy Queen.  There is an air well that runs through here and then runs under the road. That water is supposed to come this way.  I don’t know how good that tile is.  This is from the storage bins looking south, can’t really see the dirt mounds but they are right there.” 

Board Member Heimlich said, “Mr. Deardorff had been in Thursday or Friday, well anyway.  His concern was that if they continued to dump dirt in there that it was going to block the natural flow of water away from his property and through that County Tile.”

Surveyor Ward said, “I think his water is supposed to go into that tile.”

Board Member Heimlich continued, “He is assessed on that tile.  I had taken him over to Brad (Surveyor Ward) and Brad was going to look at it.  He said come in and we would talk about it today.  Our County Attorney is not here so we don’t know his opinion.  I think the law is that you can’t block the natural flow of water but I don’t know.  What are the issues here?”

Tim Deardorff said, “I talked to Connie this morning...”

Connie Flick stated, “I have been gone for a week and just got back late last night.”

Tim Deardorff stated, “I didn’t want to reunion his vacation so I talked to him this morning. My concern obviously is that I am at the low end of that ten (10) or eleven (11) acres.  Water has been within a foot or two (2) of my buildings on big rains.  I have done some research on the reality of what that outlet is.  It is only a six (6) inch tile.  It runs from us back north. It has been in need of repair out in the field it doesn’t drain.  I don’t think ours goes there anyway it just goes back behind the old golf course where it eventually evaporates.  Water will stand back there in fact some of it has been back there for six (6) weeks.  So, when we get a lot of water with no outlet it doesn’t drain, it ends up down there on me. Till there is a storm sewer there that is where it drains.  What is going to happen in two (2) or three (3) years? Is the storm sewer going to correct that?  I am not against fill correcting right now I don’t feel that is a real good opinion of keeping water off.  I talked to Ron and they were going to dump another eight (8) or nine (9) loads of dirt in there.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “The storm sewer should help that situation but it is not there.”

Tim Deardorff replied, “It is not there.”

Surveyor Ward said, “This is, well it runs this way.  This is going south …”

Tim Deardorff asked, “Did you find the tile Brad (Surveyor Ward)?”
Surveyor Ward replied, “Yeah, there is an air well down there on the south side of that drive.” 

Tim Deardorff asked, “It runs up to the old Dairy Queen and under the street, correct?”

Surveyor Ward replied, “The County Tile runs west across the road here.”

Tim Deardorff asked, “It does run right across?”

Surveyor Ward continued, “I don’t know what they do with construction.”

Tim Deardorff asked, “Is it draining right now?”

Surveyor Ward replied, “There is no water standing right now but I don’t know how good the tile is.  This water runs south.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Did you have a question Connie?”

Connie Flick replied, “I would just like to say when we bought the property twenty (20) some years ago water was standing.  We went to the County; I don’t recall who it was. The tile was plugged going under the road.  They unplugged it and it helped the situation quite a bit.  Now, Moe has put his entrance in.  Moe is one hundred and twenty (120) feet from the ice cream place.  He purchased one hundred and twenty (120) feet from us.  We have like a ball park of eight hundred (800) less frontage.  Where the tile goes under the road is on Moe’s property now it is south of his entrance.  There is no tile; there is no culvert under his drive.  So, the water was getting to that culvert through the tile it can’t get there now.  We do have tile in our area it is not good I am sure.  Our property is tiled.  It supposedly runs to that drain there. We did on the entrance coming into our property, we do have a tile.  We have a culvert under our road and it did flow through.  Right now it can’t get to the drain which goes under the road.  Putting the dirt in, I talked to Tim about it.  He stopped by this morning and told me about the meeting today.  He said he talked to Ron and ask him to stop bringing the dirt in.  The reason I brought the dirt in was because it was available.”

Tim Deardorff replied, “Free!”

Connie Flick continued, “Free and available, of course. We do have a good size property and it has been a problem for years.  The engineer on this project a couple of year ago told me when we have this road work down here it is going to relieve your water problem.  It is going to take care of it.  I was just trying to get my ducks lined up if something was available.  So, where Ron put it he has worked his way to the east he said in his opinion it would not affect anyone. I didn’t want to run water off to the north on Tim or anybody else. I was just wanting to get fill in there so when the time came that we didn’t have the problem. I could move the dirt.  We were going to be going to the east and put the dirt on the high ground.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “So, it would not affect the flow?”

Connie Flick continued, “So it would affect where the dirt is now and going east.  Also if we go east and put some east of the building, the pole building that is there.  That is all high ground in there and never holds water.  I think everybody has seen where the water stands down there, to the east of that with the dirt with no intentions leveling or pushing it off.   We just hauled in there because it was available.”

Tim Deardorff replied, “Free!”

Connie Flick continued, “Well, anyway where the dirt is there, he does still have more available and I would like to put it on my high ground, some up on the high ground.  Tim did say, he did mention something you know what if the water situation never gets taken care of.  That is the question there, what are you going to do with the mound of dirt?  I said oh, we will figure something out we can come up with something to do with it.  But anyway that is the situation now. Tim and I are friends and I would not do anything to mess him up.  It was my understanding that we aren’t doing anything with the flow.  We are putting it in the high ground.  Basically that is what it is.  I don’t know what the plans are as far as the road, where they are going to go with the water. They kind of build up too and run the water back a little bit more on us to the east.  I have been insured that we are going to have some type of storm drain.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Yeah, there will be a storm drain there. It should help the situation but as far as timing I wish I could give you a better idea.  We do have still in process but almost have the property acquisitions complete.  Right now it is a matter of when the funding becomes available for that section. We are still a little short.  So, whether it is a year or two (2) years I don’t know.”

Tim Deardorff asked, “Brad (Surveyor Ward) did you do any like elevations where that water falls?  I….There is no concentration of that water. Anything that is on the north side of that second drive ends up down by the house and my storage building. Obviously the greater the water the deeper it is going to be when it gets down to my building. I know the piles if they are just lying there yet that is displaced ground for water to get high.  In December three (3) or four (4) years ago it was two (2) feet from the one building.  The storage business and water doesn’t mix.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “That particular event there was water in a lot of places where it hadn’t been before.”

Tim Deardorff said, “It can happen again.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “It could.”

Tim Deardorff replied, “If you don’t have any funding for three (3) years. I told Connie this morning if there is going to be dirt available when they start redoing the road.  I understand that it is free and he is getting it now.  If it never gets done then we don’t have a problem.  I just can’t risk having more water on my property.  It is bad enough now.”

Vice President Burton asked, “Currently you brought up the drive way at Moe’s.  The air well is to the south of that.  Is that a short term remedy there just to keep a small culvert in there?  I know that is short sided it may be in there a year or it could be six (6) months or it could be there years.”

Tim Deardorff replied, “I don’t think there is any fall there.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “What?”

Tim Deardorff answered, “I don’t think there is enough fall in there.  I think that water runs north or south, I am sorry.  I don’t think there is enough fall there.”

Vice President Burton asked, “You don’t think your water exists that direction?”

Tim Deardorff answered, “Where you are talking putting that culvert in that would just drain a small spot.  You would have to look at it.”

Vice President Burton replied, “Ok.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Where is the culvert under the road there?”

Surveyor Ward stated, “There is an air well like right here and it runs, it looks like it run off this way.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “So there is no culvert anywhere around there.”

Surveyor Ward answered, “No, there might have been before they redid Sixth Street.”

Tim Deardorff replied, “There was!”

Connie Flick said, “We put a culvert in when we put our drive in on our    property.”  

Board Member Heimlich replied, “I am talking about a culvert under West Shafer Drive.”

Surveyor Ward stated, “There is not one there today whether there was one before they redid that intersection I don’t know.”


Multiple Conversations-In Audible-for few seconds

Surveyor Ward asked, “Did it go across Sixth Street?”

Vice President Burton asked, “That water exits to the west?”

Surveyor Ward replied, “Yes, I know it is not a good tile.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “I didn’t know that was a natural flow that way if the road was blocking water.  Normally there is a culvert underneath the road at the end.”

Surveyor Ward said, “Well, there could have been at one time.  They are wanting to catch the water if they move Six Street up here like everywhere else they are going to catch that water.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Well, I know when they redo it.”

Surveyor Ward replied, “I don’t know if the plan there was a culvert there.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “I have got to talk to Steve about that.”

Surveyor Ward said, “That tile wants to run up here and then…”

Connie Flick asked, “Could I say something?  I talked to Ron this morning and he said a few years back he had worked on Rickey Road on a project.  If his memory serves him correctly, he was a little foggy on it.  He thought it was approximately three hundred (300) feet south of the intersection of Sixth and Rickey Road.  There was something coming up on the north and the south side of the road.  They had done some work there and I believe that tile is tiled to the south.  I don’t know if that has any…”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “There probably would have been something done when that intersection was redone.  What has that been two (2) or three (3) year ago now?”

Surveyor Ward replied, “May be even longer than that.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “That was a city project.”

Surveyor Ward said, “The storm sewers they put in for Sixth Street are running south to the Carter Ditch, I believe.  They are in there at the present.   I don’t know where when they extended the project this way where they are taking that water.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “I thought those were going to go north.”

Surveyor Ward said, “I don’t have those plans.”

Vice President Burton replied, “That would be pretty tough to think what they put in there that is feeding south would adequately drain that low area.”

Tim Deardorff replied, “I think you are correct, Ron said they are not deep enough.  He didn’t know what they were going to do with that water.  He told me that was a great question what are they going to do with that water.  He said his ground is swamp; of course my building is in the swamp. I bought it from Connie.”

Vice President Burton said, “I thought we were close to a temporary. You brought up the fact that your concern is that it is displacing area even on the high side.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Although I am not sure if we have any jurisdiction of stopping that.  I think as long as it is not blocking the flow of the water, the natural flow.”

Vice President Burton replied, “As long as that ground is not impervious whether it is three (3) feet high or whether it is ten (10) feet high it still has the ability to absorb water as long it is not impervious.  The height of that hill, I agree with John (Board Member Heimlich) right now the only thing that we could deal with is if he blocked your normal flow of water.  Again, I would have to go out there and look at it because I have not been out there.  That is not his intentions at this point in time.”

Connie Flick said, “That will never be my intentions to mess up my neighbor.”

Tim Deardorff stated, “If the tile worked it would not be an issue the tile doesn’t work. It is not going to work.  I have done enough research it is broken down in the field.  It has not worked for years.  I am guessing there is no drain there.”

Vice President Burton asked, “That is a County Tile?”

Surveyor Ward stated, “The Kellenburger.”

Tim Deardorff said, “That is why I asked the question where that water goes then if it doesn’t go down the tile.  Well, if you look at it you tell it goes north.”

Vice President Burton asked, “It that drain by itself?’

Surveyor Ward replied, “By itself, it is actually a branch.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Where does it end up, in the Honey Creek?”

Surveyor Ward said, “Yeah, a mile north. The main branch…..”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Does it come across the County Farm?”

Surveyor Ward said, “The main branch starts here and comes up basically to this line somewhere up here, it turn and goes north. It follows the rail road track pretty close. The one that they are on comes across here and comes up this way.  I should have pulled an aerial. I know this one is broken down pretty bad in this area.  We have fixed it a couple of times this year.  That is the main.”

President Burton asked, “The question is!  Is there some work that we can do on that?”

Surveyor Ward said, “I think the one they are on comes across this way and ties in somewhere up in here. Looking at the old maps, I don’t know. I walked back with Wredes, we walked back this line.  A lot of water stands here and it drains into that same drain.  I don’t know if the tile is not big enough or if it broken down.  It was flowing underneath the rail road tracks but it sounded like a water fall.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Does that main start right at the road?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “A hundred and fifty (150) feet south of the road.” 

Board Member Heimlich asked, “How big is the main?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “I don’t know, I think it is like a six (6) inch through here.” 
Board Member Heimlich asked, “That is all?”

Surveyor Ward said, “It is not very big. This is Vogel’s farm here.  There is a ditch that comes across here.  It is a private one.  The tile starts about right here and comes up then follows along there.  I don’t know if the main turns into it and outlets.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “That right there is an open ditch out there.  Why doesn’t that water go to that ditch?”

Surveyor Ward said, “Actually this spring it was flowing that way. It was going underneath the road and flowing backwards it was so deep on the north side it of the road.”

Vice President Burton asked, “So it is like the intersection of Rickey and Sixth Street, it is a break of which way the water goes?”

Board Member Heimlich said, “I will check with the Highway Department and see if there was ever a culvert across that or underneath West Shafer Drive there that might have gotten taken out at some time. That might get rid of that water, I would have to look I don’t know.  Is it lower on the east side?  It must be if the tile is going that way.  I mean on the west side, I mean.”

Surveyor Ward said, “I remember two (2) years last spring not this spring this was all under water in here.”

Tim Deardorff replied, “Every time it rains it is under water.”

Surveyor Ward said, “Not very good yield out of the field.”

Tim Deardorff said, “If it rains an inch or more water will stand there for three (3) or four (4) months.  If it rains a little thinner it will stand four (4) or five (5) weeks.”

Vice President Burton asked, “Is there anything we can do right now?”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Well, like I said our Attorney is not here.  The only thing we would have a problem with is if the dirt that is being dumped in there was blocking the natural flow of water.  So, if he is only putting it on the back of the property where it is not I really don’t know if there is anything else we would a jurisdiction over. Like I said I can check with the Highway Department about if there was ever a culvert under there.  That was taken out when they redid the intersection.”

Vice President Burton asked, “Do they have preliminary plans on that stretch?”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Oh yeah.”

Surveyor Ward said, “We might have them in the office.”

Vice President Burton replied, “It doesn’t do any good but it might be interesting to see what ...”

Board Member Heimlich said, “It seems to me that water out there was going to the north to the Honey Creek.”

Vice President Burton replied, “That is what kind of flashes right now.”

Surveyor Ward said, “I would think they would want to.”

Vice President Burton said, “Ok, that is all we can do you for, all the damage we can create.”

Tim Deardorff said, “I don’t understand you decision.”

Vice President Burton replied, “In summary of what John (Board Member Heimlich) said, right now without George (Attorney Loy) here to support our idea at the moment.  He is not directly blocking the flow of the water from your property as an exit.  That is where our authority would come from is that County Tile and the direction of flow.  His intent is to keep dirt on the high ground and not restrict the direction your water is going.  I agree with John (Board Member Heimlich) from past experience is that doesn’t allow us to say he can’t move dirt around on his property as long as he allows that access flow.”

Tim Deardorff asked, “Is there any jurisdiction on increased water on top of an acre?”

Vice President Burton replied, “I know this has come up but generally unless we have a tile going across that property we have the right of way on either side of that tile or ditch.  That becomes, I will use a George (Attorney Loy) term a civil matter.  That is the term he would use.”

Board Heimlich asked, “How far does the water stand now back to the east?” 

Tim Deardorff asked, “Back to the east, do you mean in feet, in acres or what?”

Connie Flick asked, “How close to the dirt piles?”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “How far away from the road, how far back is it?”

Connie Flick answered, “We started back to the east we believe where water does not stand.  That is why we did work our way east on the higher ground not getting into the area where the water stands.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Yeah that would be the thing.  As long as the water is back away from where it stands now it shouldn’t be any worse than it is now.  The water on the high ground however high it is will either going to soak in or it is going to run down.”

Tim Deardorff said, “My other question was when you bring in fill and things like you have to have permits to do building.  Do you have to have permits to bring in fill?”

Cindy Muffett replied, “Since you asked that, when you bring in fill if it is going to take up more than an acre of land. The Indiana Department of Environmental Management according to Rule Five (5) of Indiana code…. I don’t remember it exactly but there a permit for that.  You also may need a permit because it sounds like it is wet. Coded as wet lands you would also need a permit to be filling in the wet lands, with Department of Natural Resources. Those are things you need to take in account to make sure it is not a wet land.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “I doubt if this would designated wet lands.”

Cindy Muffett replied, “You would be surprised.  Just because you have crop fields in them you know they could have wet lands in them as you will see in Rule 5.  The fact that there is so much water that I am hearing makes me think there is hydrology present and there is probably hydro soil present then you could have a ligament complaint……..things to think about are soil type through research. Soil and Water doesn’t take lightly because IDEM and DNR are coming down on us real hard………….in auditable.”

At this point Cindy Muffett, Sharon Watson, Tim Deardroff and Connie Flick were having conversations with each other regarding what permits that might be needed from the State of Indiana and others.  They were at the back of the room and with Cindy Muffett with her back to the microphones. Making this portion of the digital minutes mostly in auditable for accuracy listen to digital minutes for this portion of this discussion.

Board Member Heimlich said, “That would certainly be the best outcome is if you two could come to an agreement. Believe me we are going to get Sixth Street completed just as fast as we can.”

Connie Flick stated, “As far as bringing any more fill in, if Tim can guarantee me when they finish the job, two (2) or three (3) year down the road. If I can add more fill if I wanted to...”

Tim Deardorff replied, “Yes.”


Next discussed-CDC’S Ditch issue on White County owned land
Viewing a computer generated map

Surveyor Ward stated, “Still on Sixth Street closer to CDC, it is not a County regulated ditch or drain the one that runs behind them.  Bill Roy called me actually Mary called me.  I talked to Bill Roy the maintenance supervisor out there.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “On CDC property?”

Surveyor Ward replied, “Yeah that is the one that run in behind them. That is the ditch coming off Sixth Street.  It is just in real bad shape. I didn’t know if there was anything I could do or not since I don’t have any money.”

Vice President Burton replied, “That is going to be unregulated as close as it to the lake.” 

Surveyor Ward said, “It is not regulated by the County.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “We own the land but it is leased, it has a hundred (100) year lease.”

Surveyor Ward replied, I told them I would bring it up. I didn’t know what we could do or couldn’t do.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “What do they want done?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “Well, they basically want that ditch cleaned out.  This is the head wall this is the top of the pipe that comes out from underneath of the road.  The dirt is probably six (6) inches above the pipe.  It probably goes over the head wall to be honest and then that is what the ditch looks like. There is a culvert that comes in later. It is just full of silt.  I didn’t know if there was anything to help them out if not I will gladly tell them that. There are a couple tile holes in the side ditch that are broken down. It comes back to one of those situations how much do you want to spend if they are going to replace all that.  That would probably be under the Highway Department.” 

Board Member Heimlich said. “That would actually be County Highway Department.  The others would come under us as Commissioners not Drainage Board if it is on our property.” 

Surveyor Ward said, “I told them I would bring it up so you were aware.  I didn’t know if there was much or anything that I could do.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “As the Drainage Board I don’t think there anything you could do there.  But as Commissioners on our property we could do something.  The Highway Department might….”

Surveyor Ward said, “It still flows but it is really slow.  It is time to change the course a little bit.”

Vice President Burton asked, “So, this is where it enters or is this just a blow out?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “These two tile holes drain into that and they are probably fifty (50) feet south.”

Vice President Burton asked, “Are they blow outs or is that a normal air well?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “They are blow outs, suck holes.  There is an old tile in there and there is a new one in there.  Not sure what all but none of it is on maintenance.”

Vice President Burton replied, “Ok.”

Cindy Muffett asked, “I just want to know is that an actual ditch, where is it?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “I can’t tell you where it is, the water still goes that way pretty much all the time.  If it is a ditch it stops there.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “It has been there as long as I can remember whether it was a creek or actually formed a water way at one point or whether over the years it just cut out a ditch through there.”

Vice President Burton asked, “A long side this with the expansion of …..”

Surveyor Ward said, “That head wall is going to be gone when they do the Sixth Street.  It was one of those...an hour that day. How much do you want to do if you are going to replace the whole thing?” 

Board Member Heimlich asked, “What kind of problems is it causing right now?” 

Surveyor Ward replied, “It is changing course and washing out different areas.  There is no…I guess you can kind of see one there.  It is jumping out; I don’t know how the water is getting to this to be honest with you.  Once it comes out of this head wall the water has to go up to get over the silt berm.  I don’t know how the water is getting into the channel now unless there is a tile or something that it has worked its way through.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “We can go out and look at it.”

Next discussed-G. Huffman Drain Branch of the J. M. Timmons Drain #679

Surveyor Ward asked, “Ray Smolek gave me a call he has part of the George Huffman Ditch.  It is up in Cass Township.  It is paid for by the Timmons.  It is about three eights (⅜) of a mile long. I was wanting to know if I had to petition to have it cleaned or if I could just bid it.  I think it needs cleaned.”

Board Member Heimlich answered, “You can just do it under maintenance.”

Vice President Burton asked, “Right, the obvious question after that is the money there?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “Yes, it is paid for by the Timmons.  It is this stretch here.  This part has been cleaned recently within a year or two (2). This part here is pretty wooly.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “But it is paid for by the Timmons?”

Surveyor Ward said, “In that fund there is Thirty-One Thousand Dollars ($31,000.00).  So if we did a petitioned it we would have to notify everyone in the Timmons water shed which is probably a bunch.” 

Board Member Heimlich asked, “How much do you think this is going to cost?”

Surveyor Ward replied, “From this stretch from here to the road has pretty good growth on it.  There are no trees on this quarter (¼) mile here. They would be dipping and taking out the silt.”

Vice President Burton asked, “Why was it cleaned?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “I don’t why the other part was cleaned.  I don’t why they did not do the whole thing when it was done.  It still looks really good.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “When was that, when it was cleaned?”

Surveyor ward answered, “I think he said four (4) or five (5) years ago.  I didn’t really research it to much.  I was kind of getting the idea if we needed to have a petition on it before we went to far on it.”

Vice President Burton asked, “Have you a horseshoe of it, my interruption of just a ball park figure of what you think it is going to cost?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “Five Thousand Dollars ($5,000.00) I am guessing in that neighborhood.  By the time you remove the brush off one side, you dip it and level it.  That is a guess.”

Vice President Burton asked, “It continues on across the tile?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “This is a tile, and a tile feeds it.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “You are just talking about from?”

Surveyor Ward replied, “From five-fifty (550) to eleven hundred (1100).”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “That stretch in through there, you say the rest of that has been cleaned?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “That has been cleaned. It is night and day when you look at it when you stand on the road and look at it one way or another.”

Vice President Burton replied, “I am sure that was done under maintenance.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “I am sure it was.  If the rest of it was done I am sure there is plenty of money in there.  Normally under those circumstances we notify everybody. So they know where their maintenance money is going.  If everything else has been clean except that.”

Vice President Burton said, “This would just be a better route than a single cleaner, if we use maintenance.”

Surveyor Ward replied, “We will just get a better price if we bid it.  I will let Ray know that.  I told him that I was going to come to the meeting to see if we needed to petition it or do it under maintenance.  I guess it depends on who gets it how much it will be or wouldn’t be.  I don’t think it will be that much more.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “I don’t know why they didn’t do that at the same time as the rest of it.”

Vice President Burton replied, “Well, we are saying four (4) or five (5) years it     could turned into eight (8) years ago.  What was done eight (8) years ago it could have been really been bad from up eleven hundred (1100).”

Surveyor Ward said, “Maybe they just wanted to do the outlet.”

Vice President Burton replied, “Right.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “We might check the minutes to see if you can find when that was done to make sure there isn’t something there that we are missing.”


Next discussed-Harp-Helfrick Drain #665

Surveyor Ward stated, “I have the minutes and the legal description for the Harp-Helfrick if anybody is interested in reviewing those.  They are in my office ready to go.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Good.”


Next discussed-Wolcott-Dwyer Instrument-The Pugh Branch of the C. Stoller Drain #587

Surveyor Ward asked, “Up there at Wolcott at the factory where we replaced the tile under the culvert. Got the bills for that, they sent a bill to the County Highway and he informed me the day we were up there that he was not paying that.  I just want to know do I pay the whole thing?”

Board Member Heimlich answered, “No, I think we had said…”

Surveyor Ward said, “You guys took care of the culvert already.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “What is this?

Surveyor Ward answered, “This is on top of the culvert.  This the work done repairing the tile, digging the culvert out and putting the culvert back in there, so on so forth.  It is about Forty-Six Hundred Dollars ($4,600.00) or Forty-Seven Hundred Dollars ($4,700.00). He had it split into half (½) to us and half (½) to the County Highway Department.  I didn’t know if one half (½) should go to the Town of Wolcott.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “I thought we said we were going to take care of it out of Economic Development.”

Vice President Burton replied, “That does vaguely sound familiar.” 

Board Member Heimlich asked, “This was for Dwyer?”

Surveyor Ward asked, “Yes, I didn’t know if that was for the whole project or just the pipe.”

Board Member Heimlich answered, “I thought it was for the whole thing.”

Vice President Burton replied, “I think it was for the culvert.”

Surveyor Ward said, “The culvert was Forty-Eight Hundred Dollars ($4,800.00) by itself.”

Vice President Burton replied, “What you are getting at is that he did some other repair work.”

Surveyor Ward said, “The Forty-Eight Hundred Dollars ($4,800.00) was strictly for the culvert.  This is for everything that went along with doing the job.  He had it split into.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “This is the bill from Emonds.  This is what he billed to the County Highway?”

Surveyor Ward replied, “Yeah.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Where would you take this out of?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “The Pugh Tile, the Stoller Ditch that is where our money comes from. That is what it is on.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “The tile, the culvert had washed out, right?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “The tile underneath the culvert had broken down. Probably in turn because the culvert had rusted out on the bottom.  Then they replaced the culvert.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “So he was billing you and the Highway Department, Dwyer didn’t get billed?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “No, Dwyer didn’t get billed anything.”

Vice President Burton asked, “So this amount is half (½) of it?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “The total cost to the County Surveyor was Two Thousand, Two Hundred, Nineteen Dollars and Sixty Cents ($2,219.60) and the total cost to the County Highway Department was Two Thousand, Four Hundred, Seventeen Dollars and Eighty-Six Cents ($2,417.86). I did not go through it with a fine tooth comb at any point.  But I was out there when Steve Brooke told them they are not taking any part of it.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “I thought we talked about using Economic Development Funds for part of this.”

Vice President Burton replied, “I remember that but it might have been a conversation.”

Surveyor Ward stated, “It does not matter to me, there is money in the fund that would cover it without putting it in debt.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “It would cover yours but the Highway Department.  I know we were trying to keep money as much as possible away from Steve and I thought that is what we talked about.  I don’t know if there would be any record of that or not.”

Surveyor Ward said, “We can check the minutes.”

Vice President Burton said, “You can check but I think it was just a side conversation.”

Drainage Assistant Sterrett said, “I thought it was just for the culvert.”

Vice President Burton asked, “The cost of the culvert?”

Drainage Assistant Sterrett answered, “The cost of.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “That has already been paid?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “Yes, by Economic Development.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “That was paid by Economic Development, all right.”

Surveyor Ward said, “That cost might be in that folder.  That was like Four Thousand, Eight Hundred Dollars ($4,800.00) for that pipe. Four Thousand, Four Hundred and Forty-Two Dollars ($4,742.00) for the pipe itself.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Has that already been paid?”

Surveyor Ward said, “Yes, that has been paid.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “I think that is the one I went to the Council and said how do you want to do this.  Which fund do you want to take it out of and I think they took it out of C.E.D.I.T.”

Vice President Burton said, “They did that just for the culvert.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “Just the culvert I did not realize there was more to come.”

Surveyor Ward said, “We got the bill for the culvert form Brooke, so we got that right away.  Well we got this, well I think we have had it for two (2) weeks.”

Board Member Heimlich stated, “I think Steve is saying he is not paying because it is not County it is the Town of Wolcott.”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Do you want to talk that about it, think about it a little bit?”

Vice President Burton replied, “Yeah.”

Surveyor Ward said, “In that fund there is Twenty-Four Thousand Dollars ($24,000.00) on our side.”

Vice President replied, “We always have that avenue we can pay for it by the ditch or…”

Drainage Assistant Sterrett asked, “Is it ok, I got our share ready to go in today, may I turn that in?”

Board Member Heimlich asked, “Ok, so I understand again.  What was the division between the Surveyor and the Highway Department?  Was there a reason why it was split that way?”

Surveyor Ward answered, “I don’t know why it was split the way it was split. I haven’t really looked at it to close.”

Board Member Heimlich replied, “Whether there was something that made since to why the Highway Department got that or he just decided to split it that way.”

Surveyor Ward said, “Well he charged the Highway Department Fifty Dollars ($50.00) for picking up the culvert in Reynolds.”

Drainage Assistant Sterrett replied, “Another Fifty Dollars ($50.00) for taking the old one back.  Ours is all on the yellow sheet.”

Surveyor Ward said, “Ours was everything under ground and the County Highway’s was everything above ground. He charged the rip rap to the Highway?  There used to be concrete head walls on both sides of that drive.  They went with a longer pipe and just rip rap the ends of it instead of putting it in concrete head walls in.”

Board Member Heimlich stated, “I can see why Steve is saying I shouldn’t be paying this for a number of reasons.”

Surveyor Ward replied, “He made it clear the day when we were out there.  He told Kevin that he wasn’t to get a bill.  I was shocked when he did get a bill.  He brought it in to us I think the day he picked it up.”

Board Member Heimlich said, “I think we talked to Steve originally that we would take that out of Economic Development. He wasn’t going to pay anything. I am not sure why he would be paying anything on that anyway.  I guess it is a question whether we put it all out of the drain or take some of it out of Economic Development.”

Vice President Burton replied, “I guess Mary (Drainage Assistant Sterrett), she is going to pull it out of the drain. She is going to pay them. We can discuss it over the next week.  We can send them a check out of the same fund if we choose to.”

There was more discussion on what fund to take the Emond Drainage Service charges that were billed to the White County Highway Department.  Nothing decided at this time.  Drainage Assistant Sterrett was told to go ahead and pay the Surveyor’s part of the same bill from the Stoller Ditch maintenance fund.

Drainage Assistant Sterrett asked Vice President Burton to sign the Drainage Board Payroll by not having Ronald Schmierer, the late Chairman of the Board, to sign the claim. Vice President Burton did sign the August 22nd Drainage Board payroll claim.

Sharon Watson again introduced Cindy Muffett the District Conservationist to Vice President Steve Burton, Drainage Board Member John Heimlich, Surveyor Bradley Ward and Drainage Assistant Mary Sterrett.

The White County Drainage Board Meeting of August 22, 2011 was then adjourned.